Forbes article on PS4 and cross-play
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Both Rocket League and Minecraft are on the PlayStation, too. No one's losing as far as the fan base. It was Microsoft that bought the franchise up while it was still on Sony’s platform. That's not Sony’s fault. They didn't block the title just because Microsoft gained possession of it. Hell, what could have been an Xbox exclusive and a potential insensitive to the console over the competition, Microsoft didn't take advantage of it. That's their own loss. But don't set there crying your eyes out just because your leading competition took your lunch money (that you gave them) but refuses to toss you a line and pull you up to their level of success. If you want to beat and/or equal their success, you need to work hard and innovate just like they did to get there.
So what happened when Sony made the proposal "not that long ago"? Let me guess....there wasn't a merge, right? Why not? Where was the big uproar then? Why wasn't this considered a great idea then?
Welcome to Nintendo vs Sony.
So what happened when Sony made the proposal "not that long ago"? Let me guess....there wasn't a merge, right? Why not? Where was the big uproar then? Why wasn't this considered a great idea then?
Welcome to Nintendo vs Sony.
People did complain.
Nah Sony are doing a good job now of making it them vs everyone else
Why do you keep bringing up Minecraft though? I will say it again. They can say no to Minecraft and yes to Rocket League. Microsoft isn't the one responsible for RL having cross platform play.
Again, merging any service with Xbox Live only benefits Microsoft’s position right now rather than Sony as Sony is the one leading the gaming industry with PlayStation Network steadily growing bigger and bigger. This is basically under-the-table advertising for Microsoft, which could turn into exclusive perks or an insensitive on their end. So, i believe there is very good reason Sony isn't biting now that it is more convenient for Microsoft. Had they wanted this before, they would not have turned Sony down when they first introduced the proposal to them at the time when they (Microsoft) were leading. What they need to do is to stop crying about what Sony isn't doing for them and start innovating.
Yes but what about Rocket League??? Which MS have 0 control over and wouldn't use live?
MS aren't even crying. They simply confirmed Sony keep saying no.
It's gamers who are more upset with Sony on this one even Sony land Gaf.
MS aren't even crying. They simply confirmed Sony keep saying no.
It's gamers who are more upset with Sony on this one even Sony land Gaf.
I think i already explained how it could benefit them regardless of what games are being supported. I could easily see them having a pitch in their ads where they use Sony's success to uplift the Xbox brand. Nothing comes without a cost -- especially when you are on the top.
You kinda gotta give it to them for funding its development though. Seeing as it probably wouldn't exist had they not.
It's like Sony funding Street Fighter V. Again, had they not it probably wouldn't exist.
Capcom was hesitant just as bad as Square Enix with 2013 TR, calling it a failure.
MS already reports 55 million monthly active users, I don't think they would be adding any PS users unless it's the case of Minecraft, and only in that circumstance because that game is on the path to be basically platform agnostic cross platform. Outside of that it would be absolute idiotic of them to "use" users from another platform who contribute zero revenue to them and don't use any of their services.
I think RoTTR would've still been created/released at some point even without MS throwing any money at it. Maybe SFV shouldn't have come out according to a lot of people...
Dude... You're defending a company that's denying it's customer base a feature that's being supported by the competition.
No matter how you word it, as a consumer, defending it makes you a zealot.
Rationalising it is one thing, but justifying it is idiotic, unless you're a part of their decision making process/have shares in the company.
I couldn't give a flying fig about the cross play personally, except for MMO's. I can see why they would deny crossplay, but I'm not going to piss into the wind for Sony and say it is good for any gamers.
Just the same as when MS do stupid s***, people call them on it. Gamers are an entitled group, and so we should be damnit! We spend billions and shape pop culture.
WRONG! I'm defending a similar decision that was originally made by one competitor to the next when they were in a similar position (on the bottom) before they, too, were rejected. Now, unless you are just plain gullible, it's very understandable why Sony rejected the offer, and I can't say i blame them for it. When you are on top, EVERYONE -- even what you may think of as generous competition -- wants a piece of your marketing pie. Everything has a cost regardless of what you would like to think. Now that Sony's on top, Microsoft appears ready, very relentless and quite vocal about Sony rejecting their offer. Although YOU may not see it, it seems like a perfect opening for Microsoft to benefit from this merge more so than Sony as the PC and PlayStation eco system are doing just fine for the platform.
I could say the same thing if I saw Motorola contents in a Galaxy casing: "Oh, its harmless. Its not like they are achieving anything"
It wasn't developers that introduced this idea; it was a console competitor -- one that is struggling at the moment to keep up. It's not like we don't already have a cross platform community already because we do.
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That is not accurate though.
Fact check it yourself if you don't think it's accurate..
1) MS has been against Crossplatform play for the most part since forever; even losing games altogether over their stubborn stance. Sony always maintained that it's in their DNA to support Crossplatform play and that has been the way it was for the most part for all kinds of titles.
2) In Dec. 2015/Jan 2016, Rocket League developer announced their game for XBO, without crossplatform play because MS shot down the idea from the start
3) Internet has a s*** storm about MS's stupid policy on Crossplatform play, how can they be so dumb. Nobody favors the lack of crossplatform play because you lose braincells when you argue against something in favor of shareholder ideas instead of things that purely benefit gamers. This put heavy pressure on MS and Psyonix took advantage of the situation and started talks with MS.
4) Three months later, Psyonix announces XBO has crossplatform play with PC and soon PS4 when they have everything finished. MS announces they are opening everything up for crossplatform play, ios/android/PC/anything...
5) A little bit later, Psyonix updates and says Sony isn't playing ball. They mention they have 100% technological solution literally a button push away to implement crossplay for PC/PS4/XBO.
6) Sony makes a statement saying they are always open to crossplatform play and you need not worry... then completely ignores it for the next year; no progress or talks according to Psyonix (also no internal dialogue according to Sony). Rocket League comes out and is patched with crossplatform play on XBO/PC-only, just like they said.
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That is an accurate summation, feel free to correct me but I don't think I missed anything.
-By that timeline you see that MS was completely against it until social media, press and Psyonix hammered the point home to MS to get in line. Psyonix is the catalyst for MS changing their stance on crossplatform play. Even Wargaming, a major partner of MS's since 360 days, could not get them to budge on that policy.
-Is it MS's fault that Sony was being completely full of s*** in saying that they welcome Crossplatform Play? Should MS have kept their head in the sand on crossplay and continued to look like morons while Sony is openly saying it's something they support and coming off looking like the coolest kid you've ever seen?
Now at the moment, Psyonix is still sitting on that button and Sony has readily admitted that they basically never had any intention of doing crossplatform play with XBO, even though Sony intentionally misled press and gamers that they would.
While the world was waiting on Sony's response, more games got stacked on that list, waiting for Sony to commit either way.
Anyways, back to your post... MS adding Sony users to their reports is simply a crackpot theory. No basis in reality. You are literally making things up to try and justify this from a shareholders perspective.
It works out to be PS4/PC OR XBO/PC; which is silly.
The developer wants PS4/PC/XBO, everybody swimming in the same pool.
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Sony spoke of supporting cross platform play but never gave any information on what that may entail. Later, they spoke of the PS4, PC and the Vita supporting this ecosystem, which is very true. It was the media that assumed everything else just because Microsoft announced merging the community at GDC 2016. So I'm not sure where you are getting that this was never said.
The point of this merge, I'm guessing, has more to do with exclusives more so than anything or the lack of on said platforms. Perhaps this is why they are so determined.
You are completely moving the goal post to a different city.
This idea that anyone was confused or that people didn't realize they were talking about PS4/Vita/PC is a complete fabrication. Don't even.
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Sony Responds to Microsoft’s Invite to Connect Xbox One and PS4 Networks
Sony’s response, issued one day later to GameSpot, suggests the market-leading platform holder remains open-minded about cross-console play but stopped short of discussing a deal with Xbox Live.
"PlayStation has been supporting cross-platform play between PC on several software titles starting with Final Fantasy 11 on PS2 and PC back in 2002,” reads the statement from the corporation.
“We would be happy to have the conversation with any publishers or developers who are interested in cross platform play."
Sony's response was to a direct question about whether it would be interested in working with Microsoft.
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Completely aside the fact that I showed that MS was not the catalyst to start crossplatform play, it was Psyonix who started the conversation. Here's a quote from CDPR, saying as much as well.
"We are keeping our fingers crossed for Rocket League paving the way," CD Projekt CEO Marcin Iwiński said in a statement issued to IGN. "Our upcoming Gwent: The Witcher Card Game will launch in closed beta for PC and Xbox One later this year, and Microsoft already confirmed Gwent's cross-play feature not only between Xbox One and PC, but also other consoles if they allow it. We also do have a technical solution in place for PS4 and would love to add Sony’s platform to cross-play at the start of open beta. All we need is a green light from Sony."
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016...hurdle-to-cross-platform-play-developers-say/
The initial response from Sony is 100% them being coy, lying to people to mislead them on their stance. There are zero other ways to interpret their response.
" we have no philosophical stance against cross-play at all"
Just spiritually? Come on bro.
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That's what they are doing with mobile etc, if you have to sign in to an XBL account to play they count you as an active user
That's what they are doing with mobile etc, if you have to sign in to an XBL account to play they count you as an active user
Well I guess technically you are. Lol
This is what I have been saying. Microsoft finally said OK to something Sony claimed was on the table. Turns out Sony was just bluffing, all along.
What kills me, is we have people on this forum trying to say that it's a bad idea for Sony to agree to do this? I mean, how much of a console warrior does one have to be to believe this? I am legitimately shocked that any person who considers themselves a gamer isn't hoping that Sony backs up there statement. You'd rather defend a company who lies about a promise than hold the them to it... even if it benefits gamers?
"Oh, Microsoft is desperate now!" No, the flipping aren't! They are considerably ahead (sales wise) of where they were in three 360 era. I swear, console wars brings out the stupid in people!
I have both consoles. I really don't want to care about buying whatever version because that is the version certain friends of mine have.
Yeah, I don't understand how the MS funding worked in development (not marketing). If MS helped develop the game, I have to believe that some of those funds were then part of the development of the PS4 version...FROM Microsoft.
