Microsoft At E3 2018

Dread Fox said:
I remember the Xbox One debut and being really underwhelmed during the reveal.

1. Price.....what a joke.
2. Kinect.....I had predicted the demise of this device 2 years prior so why am I see it here on stage now?
3. The cable BS....I mean at a time when so many are cutting the cable chord you are trying to integrate it with my console? Wut breh
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It nearly killed them. It was THAT toxic. It was worse than the $600 PS3 and Ken K stating that people would need 2 jobs to afford a PS3.

The original Xbox One reveal did more damage than even the lack of exclusives in my opinion.

It really is mind boggling to see the complete 360 (pun intended) that they have done since...at least on the hardware side.
 
The Living Tribunal said:
It nearly killed them. It was THAT toxic. It was worse than the $600 PS3 and Ken K stating that people would need 2 jobs to afford a PS3.

The original Xbox One reveal did more damage than even the lack of exclusives in my opinion.

It really is mind boggling to see the complete 360 (pun intended) that they have done since...at least on the hardware side.
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I don't know if it was worse that the PS3 thing (get a second job) but it was definitely as bad as that and I'd probably agree that the brand damage done by that reveal hurt MS more than the lack of xbox exclusives since. Remember this gem....

https://www.theverge.com/2013/6/12/4422014/xbox-360-is-offline-alternative-to-xbox-one

The whole sorry thing would make a good case study for anyone studying public relations or business management.
 
Andy said:
I feel like this is going to be MS's comeback year at E3. Sony will do fine, but they'll mostly show stuff we already know about, and they'll be sort of coasting. MS has had three fair to middling E3s in a row, and they are hungry. They are now positioned with not only the strongest hardware to show off, and robust and upgraded BC, but a clear calendar (i.e., nearly everything they've announced has come out already). That means they have to announce some big, new games.

I think MS will have most the surprises and momentum this E3. I think this will be their year.

(heh, look at me, an Xbox cheerleader.)
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Well last year Spencer said new games were years away, so even if they announce a couple of new games(which isn't enough) they are a year or more away.

If you take all we know then then this year will not be much better than the last crappy 3 years.
 
They have the most to gain and the most to lose. I don't see how they don't have the best showing of the big 3.
 
yankeessuck said:
They have the most to gain and the most to lose. I don't see how they don't have the best showing of the big 3.
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They could have the best showing, and it still won't be good enough for some. Last year was good enough for me, but not great. To appease gamers, they don't need to do ANYTHING but announced some new AAA games that are available only on Xbox/PC. They literally would have to do nothing else. They have the online, they have the performance, they have the graphics, they have the indies, they have 3rd party game and accessory support, they have BC, they have pretty much added every feature humanly possible to the dashboard. They could spend 90 minutes just showing off like 5 new AAA games and call it a day.
 
Hedon said:
They could have the best showing, and it still won't be good enough for some. Last year was good enough for me, but not great. To appease gamers, they don't need to do ANYTHING but announced some new AAA games that are available only on Xbox/PC. They literally would have to do nothing else. They have the online, they have the performance, they have the graphics, they have the indies, they have 3rd party game and accessory support, they have BC, they have pretty much added every feature humanly possible to the dashboard. They could spend 90 minutes just showing off like 5 new AAA games and call it a day.
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Define best showing?

If they don't address the big new IP criticism then it will be a failure...and only 1 or 2 won't cut it...and timed exclusivity on a 3rd party game wont cut it.

In simple tterms, MS are f***ed.
 
menace-uk- said:
Define best showing?

If they don't address the big new IP criticism then it will be a failure...and only 1 or 2 won't cut it...and timed exclusivity on a 3rd party game wont cut it.

In simple tterms, MS are f***ed.
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They are if you expect a slew of AAA exclusives yes.
 
menace-uk- said:
Well last year Spencer said new games were years away, so even if they announce a couple of new games(which isn't enough) they are a year or more away.

If you take all we know then then this year will not be much better than the last crappy 3 years.
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Well, I'm just talking about their E3 show, not about what happens this calendar year. You can put on an impressive and exciting E3 show, even if your newly announced games are a ways off. It's about the amount of new and surprising material you bring -- the amount of stuff that can get core gamers excited and talking -- even if that stuff is still a year or two away. I think that's the kind of show MS will have.
 
Hell even Nintendo just showed a title screen for Metroid Prime 4. I have very little doubt that MS will "announce" new games and IP's.
 
Hedon said:
Not much new

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xboxs-e3-2018-plans-and-fan-events-further-detaile/1100-6458329/

Says they are revealing new unnannouced games with details at E3.
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I’d be very surprised if they showed AAA games unless they are going the episodic content route with Perfect Dark. FMV videos that show nothing in-game always annoy me. There’s nothing to take away from those outside of “we are in the early stages of developing a game with this title”. Spencer’s original plan to avoid showing games too early is a good one. It would hurt them this year but pay off with long term credibility.

This year I expect Halo, Forza, Ori and some console launch exclusive Indies. Spencer has already talked about announcing plans for what the new employees are doing which to me was foreshadowing they won’t be showing those games yet.

I’m expecting a major AAA 3rd party game to be announced as launching in Game Pass. Whatever it cost Microsoft won’t be worth it short term but I think it’s necessary to give their service credibility.
 
OneBadMutha said:
I’d be very surprised if they showed AAA games unless they are going the episodic content route with Perfect Dark. FMV videos that show nothing in-game always annoy me. There’s nothing to take away from those outside of “we are in the early stages of developing a game with this title”. Spencer’s original plan to avoid showing games too early is a good one. It would hurt them this year but pay off with long term credibility.

This year I expect Halo, Forza, Ori and some console launch exclusive Indies. Spencer has already talked about announcing plans for what the new employees are doing which to me was foreshadowing they won’t be showing those games yet.

I’m expecting a major AAA 3rd party game to be announced as launching in Game Pass. Whatever it cost Microsoft won’t be worth it short term but I think it’s necessary to give their service credibility.
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It would make for some interesting E3s if you could count on their games coming out shortly after they get announced but the reality is the public doesn't care how long off the games are so Microsoft doesn't really need to either. Especially when games get leaked and everyone ends up knowing about them anyway like Fable.
 
And especially when they've got no real track record of announcing games and releasing them within a year anyhow. Crackdown, Sea of Thieves, Below, Ashen, Cuphead... Why impose a restriction on what games you can talk about now, at this crucial juncture, when everyone has been criticizing your lack of new games for years? Why put that limitation on yourself? You haven't upheld it in the past anyway. Now is not the time to get anal about what you're willing to show.

E3 is about building excitement and anticipation. Sony gets the showmanship aspect of E3 better than MS does, I'm afraid. People need to know that great games are coming. They aren't just going to take Phil's word for it. If all MS does is trot out another Forza, Ori 2, some launch exclusive Indies, and a Halo tease, they are going to get slammed.
 
If all MS does is show another Halo that's coming in a year that's really not going to be a big deal, the hardcore fans will say it's megaton (as they do with everything MS does) but who doesn't already expect that to happen at some point? Same with Forza and Gears, we all know those series will have sequels as we get one every 2-3 years. What will be big is if they are able to show off a new IP that can wow everyone, timed exclusive 3rd party games won't cut it either IMO.
 
Andy said:
People need to know that great games are coming. They aren't just going to take Phil's word for it.
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Well Phil announced like 40 some games last E3 and most of them came out as he promised, including BC for Xbox OG, X1X. I think it was in this thread that I posted what they actually completed out of their announcements. Unless of course you are talking about Phil saying they are working on those AAA masterpieces and they take time (2-3 years) and they are "coming"? I don't think Phil will announce ANYTHING that he isn't 100% sure will make release any longer. With Scalebound and Phantom Dust and Fable Legends and Gigantic, he let us down with those games. I don't think he wants to do that again.

I would keep your hopes DOWN for E3. It takes time for the best games. Look at God of War and how long that took.
 
Hedon said:
Well Phil announced like 40 some games last E3 and most of them came out as he promised, including BC for Xbox OG, X1X. I think it was in this thread that I posted what they actually completed out of their announcements. Unless of course you are talking about Phil saying they are working on those AAA masterpieces and they take time (2-3 years) and they are "coming"? I don't think Phil will announce ANYTHING that he isn't 100% sure will make release any longer. With Scalebound and Phantom Dust and Fable Legends and Gigantic, he let us down with those games. I don't think he wants to do that again.

I would keep your hopes DOWN for E3. It takes time for the best games. Look at God of War and how long that took.
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If they let us down with those games its them getting to a point where they need to be cancelled and not us knowing about them. If they are getting their house in order that type of thing should be pretty rare. Its not like everyone else is having this problem.
 
karmakid said:
Best to give the option to the players to decide which servers to play, be it mixed or not.
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Totally disagree.

Right now, no one has an issue playing with controller because we've been playing consoles for 35+ years.

When you add official KBM support, it will be adopted by a percentage of players. Maybe it's 2%, maybe it's 10%.

So you have a percentage of your friends who now have to play in seperate queues. Not good.

If there's not seperate queues, you have a player base with a wider skill gap. The good keyboard and mouse players are now significantly better than average to below average.

Seperate queues aren't ideal because matchmaking takes forever for the smaller population of players.

KBandM also sucks because it removes control from game creators and allows players to spin 1080 degrees in .04 seconds with pinpoint accuracy. That's fine for some games. Other games, not so much.

Keyboard and mouse support on consoles is just an objectively bad idea. Keep it far far away.
 
The Sunset Limited said:
Totally disagree.

Right now, no one has an issue playing with controller because we've been playing consoles for 35+ years.

When you add official KBM support, it will be adopted by a percentage of players. Maybe it's 2%, maybe it's 10%.

So you have a percentage of your friends who now have to play in seperate queues. Not good.

If there's not seperate queues, you have a player base with a wider skill gap. The good keyboard and mouse players are now significantly better than average to below average.

Seperate queues aren't ideal because matchmaking takes forever for the smaller population of players.

KBandM also sucks because it removes control from game creators and allows players to spin 1080 degrees in .04 seconds with pinpoint accuracy. That's fine for some games. Other games, not so much.

Keyboard and mouse support on consoles is just an objectively bad idea. Keep it far far away.
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Let’s agree to disagree.

I believe keyboard support for consoles is inevitable.

It’s just another tool of a controller like steering wheels and fighting sticks, or wired vs wireless. Those who know will take advantage, and if they don’t, then devs should put a warning of what they’re getting into, maybe in the loading screen before a match to constantly remind them and make them realize what they’re missing out....more than likely they already have a keyboard already.

And players already segregate themselves online with game modes. I myself stick to swat and war zone firefight. Only ever play solo in PUBG and others. Granted if there’s friends online I may play along.


That’s just what I feel/believe
 
Hedon said:
Well Phil announced like 40 some games last E3 and most of them came out as he promised,
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Well as I mentioned before, I'm not really talking about the indies (although I did mention a few, my bad) -- not saying "indies don't count," but just saying that generating excitement at E3 is almost entirely about the big games. Most of those 40 games came and went without anyone noticing.

What I'm saying is, if you've got something big baking in the oven, and it'll be done in 2 years, don't hide that information now. Now is the time to erase people's last doubt about Xbox, build up their sense of anticipation for the future, and capitalize on the current momentum. (I know that you personally don't have any issues with Xbox offerings, but I'm talking about the wider audience.)

Unless of course you are talking about Phil saying they are working on those AAA masterpieces and they take time (2-3 years) and they are "coming"? I don't think Phil will announce ANYTHING that he isn't 100% sure will make release any longer.
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Right, I wouldn't expect him to announce anything specific that is going to take longer than 2 years. That's too far off. But 1 or 2 years away is not too far off.

With Scalebound and Phantom Dust and Fable Legends and Gigantic, he let us down with those games. I don't think he wants to do that again.
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Well, those were cancellations. I'm assuming the projects underway are not going to be cancelled. If they are, problems are more serious than we realize.

I would keep your hopes DOWN for E3. It takes time for the best games. Look at God of War and how long that took.
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I think that's probably a good strategy if you want to come away happy with what you get. It's always better to keep your expectations low, that way you will be satisfied if things are just sort of average. That's fine. I use that strategy in my normal life all the time.

I'm not pinning my hopes on this, though. I don't have any skin in the game. I will not feel bad if MS doesn't live up to my expectations. If they don't, oh well, no big deal.

But I think this is their year.
 
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I would like to see more from Ashen. This game has perked my interest.

I would like to see more of The Artful Escape. I know it's a side scroller but the game looked beautiful at the last E3.
 
Mcmasters said:
"This game has PEEKED my interest."

Get-cho "EEKS" right!!
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Lol, it's actually piqued my interest.

Peek: a visual term (peeks through fingers)
Peak: an apex (the peak is the highest point)
Pique: stimulate (piqued my interest)
 
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