NX: Nintendo's new next gen hardware

TDbank24 said:
Well they better start giving people what they want because i'm a hardcore Nintendo fan and even i'm losing hope that they'll ever get back on track. Just keeping it real. I liked the Wii and Wii U but they could have been so much more. They need to do everything they can to get people to buy the NX.
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On one hand, I don't see NX being successful. The trend of their games, third party support, hardly any Wii U sales, low priced/low power systems, and people buying X1/PS4.......

..... But, I also don't see Nintendo execs being happy at being a console being second fiddle to MS/Sony. Their quarterly reports over the past years have been lousy ever since the Wii days ended, so they should know their current strategy isn't working.

So it's got to be one of these:

1. Another gimmicky product that hopes to catch fire despite anemic power/third party support
2. Some kind mobile focus. There may be both console and handheld. Trying to catch onto mobile games where games can be huge profitable franchises if it strikes gold. They are already dabbling with it. If the hardware fails, they still have software sold to cellphones/tablets
3. They go for it. Power, third party support, traditional gamepad. Just like the old NES/SNES days

I'm hoping #3, but thinking it'll likely be #2.
 
SD cards are expensive. I don't see how it is a cost-saving measure. I'd call that rumour bogus.
 
No way they do SD cards. Taking a skim of Amazon.com, the cheapest 64 gb SD card is about $20. Even if you strip out all the profit margins and dumb it down to breakeven manufacturing costs, the card probably still costs upwards of $5 or so to make.

A pack of 50 blank 50 gb BR discs is $100. So $2 each. Strip out out all profit costs from it, and a blank disc is probably no more than $1 each.
 
Kassen said:
SD cards are expensive. I don't see how it is a cost-saving measure. I'd call that rumour bogus.
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Not SD cards per say, but flash memory of some kinds. SD cards are expensive because 1. they are stand alone and 2. you buy it for the name. Look at the flash memory for 3DS, they are quite cheap. Doing the same, you an easily get a 32G flash memeory, with mass production for economy of scale and sell the game easily at $60 and still earn a pretty profit off of it.
 
Intellivision said:
No way they do SD cards. Taking a skim of Amazon.com, the cheapest 64 gb SD card is about $20. Even if you strip out all the profit margins and dumb it down to breakeven manufacturing costs, the card probably still costs upwards of $5 or so to make.

A pack of 50 blank 50 gb BR discs is $100. So $2 each. Strip out out all profit costs from it, and a blank disc is probably no more than $1 each.
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Again, not SD cards per say, but some types of flash memory similar to what 3DS cards uses. You can easily get up to 32G. It will drop the profit margins on the games maybe but the advantages would be ENOUMOUS on the console front. No Harddrives necessary, and no optical drives = easier and lighter console. Also, no installs, no more load times etc.
 
Stryder Kennset said:
Again, not SD cards per say, but some types of flash memory similar to what 3DS cards uses. You can easily get up to 32G. It will drop the profit margins on the games maybe but the advantages would be ENOUMOUS on the console front. No Harddrives necessary, and no optical drives = easier and lighter console. Also, no installs, no more load times etc.
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Yeah not SD, but prolly whatever kind of flash memory that Macronix (Nintendo's flash ROM vendor) makes.

http://m.ign.com/articles/2016/05/05/rumour-nintendo-nx-to-drop-discs-for-cartridges
 
Stryder Kennset said:
Not SD cards per say, but flash memory of some kinds. SD cards are expensive because 1. they are stand alone and 2. you buy it for the name. Look at the flash memory for 3DS, they are quite cheap. Doing the same, you an easily get a 32G flash memeory, with mass production for economy of scale and sell the game easily at $60 and still earn a pretty profit off of it.
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SD cards are not standalone. And flash memory isn't cheap for the 3DS. That's two lies in a row.
 
Kassen said:
SD cards are not standalone. And flash memory isn't cheap for the 3DS. That's two lies in a row.
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Ok, I need to explain it better.

Standalone as in people only buy them one by one. Ain't no one will buy it say, by the bulk to the tune of say 100K or 1million a pop....That will drop the price some.

Flash memory isn't as cheap as disk, but they are way cheaper than the carts of old. If you can get a 32G flash ROM to say, below $5 a pop, yes, it would still be more than a blank Blu-ray disc at say $1 a pop, but it's still worth considering cause the advantages of the said flash ROM offers.
 
Stryder Kennset said:
Not SD cards per say, but flash memory of some kinds. SD cards are expensive because 1. they are stand alone and 2. you buy it for the name. Look at the flash memory for 3DS, they are quite cheap. Doing the same, you an easily get a 32G flash memeory, with mass production for economy of scale and sell the game easily at $60 and still earn a pretty profit off of it.
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SD cards are not standalone. They are just a storage device. And you don't pay for the name either. You pay the same amount for a 32GB SD card from a generic brand like Transcend as you do for one from Scan Disk.
 
Debut at TGS? NX is small and underpowered or a mobile device
 
Well, one thing's for sure. If NX bombs, Nintendo will finally be a software focused console company. Aside from Wii, console sales have dropped like a rock since the SNES days.

The market has changed. Back then, they went up against Sega (a company with hit and miss finances). Over the past 15-20 years, it's vs Sony and MS and gamers have flocked to them. Sega loses money doing stupid things and they pack up ship. MS and Sony endure some sketchy finances having to do with their games division and they hold strong and come back hitting harder.

Personally, I think Nintendo should have gone multiplatform instead of NX. Wii U bombed, and there is zero hint of gamers begging to go back to Nintendo like the old days. 100 million Wiis were sold, but where's the support and gamers begging for a successor system.

System sales are down. Sales are down. Profitability is down.

But what would kick up the sales and margins are software. Their games would sell a ton on MS, Sony, PC, smartphones. No more console costs hurting margins. R&D and dev all going to games.

Nothing hurts a company more than hardware costs. That's why the most successful electronics companies are software based. Get those hit games and software kicking and your physical material costs are negligible.
 
I don't see Nintendo going the 3rd party software route anytime soon. The company is still too flushed with cash to hit the panic button this soon.
 
VaLLiancE said:
MS is more likely 2 go 3rd party than Nintendo.
Being XBO bombed in comparison 2 the PS4...
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And X1 is still doing great compared to 360. If you want to see a bomb, check out Wii U. By the time it ceases production, it may be the worst selling Nintendo console ever..... despite the video game market being huge compared to the old days, and having 100M Wiis sold last gen.

Nintendo is already testing the market with that cellphone software they released.

MS has been doing multiplat game releases since the original Xbox OG. Many of their games go on PC. And they've still released Xbox OG, 360 and X1. And a new mid gen refresh seems likely.
Am I doing this right?
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Wow. Relax. You always seem to have a chip on your shoulder.
 
wshowers said:
I don't see Nintendo going the 3rd party software route anytime soon. The company is still too flushed with cash to hit the panic button this soon.
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They are slowly transitioning and testing the waters. First that game with the avatar heads (whatever it was called), now two franchises going F2P.

http://www.engadget.com/2016/05/11/nintendo-s-new-mobile-games-will-be-free-to-play/

Nintendo's new mobile games will be free-to-play
Both 'Fire Emblem' and 'Animal Crossing' mobile apps will adopt a 'free-to-start' model after launch.
Brittany Vincent , @MolotovCupcake
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Nintendo's upcoming smartphone renditions of popular franchises Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing will be free to play, according to DeNA's Chief Executive Isao Moriyasu.

The actual terminology Moriyasu used is "free-to-start," meaning you won't have to pay anything to get started with either game, but they will of course be monetized. Given Nintendo's efforts in the handheld realm and the increasing number of mobile apps arising from the partnership between Nintendo and mobile company DeNA, this could very well be the norm going forward.

Unfortunately no additional details were given surrounding how the apps will utilize the free-to-play model. Animal Crossing on its own uses "bells" as a currency for players to purchase items, pay off their in-game homes and more, so it's very possible there could be a similar model in the mobile app. Fire Emblem is a strategy role-playing game notorious for featuring game modes where members of your party can succumb to permadeath, but perhaps a freemium model could offer options to bring them back for a fee.

This is an unsurprising move given the company's recent track record of releasing games like Pokemon Shuffle and Pokemon Rumble World as freemium options, both available via 3DS/2DS and mobile titles. Both rely on "energy" to continue playing if you run out of the allotted currency. Games like Nintendo Badge Arcade offer free plays each day and dangle additional badges to collect in the faces of those unwilling to pay further to explore, and Rusty's Real Deal Baseball gives players the option to haggle to purchase in-game minigames.

It's not clear how Nintendo will handle these high-profile franchises just yet, but free-to-play will almost certainly get more consumers invested than premium pricing. We'll have to wait and see what happens.
 
VaLLiancE said:
That's mobile.... a different market.
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LOL. That spin.

Also, if you read my post instead of hurriedly skimming it to reply asap, you'd see I mentioned software development for other platforms, including smartphone. And going by the article I just found they have 2 more games coming soon that are smartphone focused based on well known franchises. So it looks like my prediction is coming true as I didn't even know Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing were destined for smartphones.

Take a breather Val. If you're going to respond, at least fully understand the person's post. Believe it or not, there's something called paragraphs.
 
Intellivision said:
LOL. That spin.

Also, if you read my post instead of hurriedly skimming it to reply asap, you'd see I mentioned software development for other platforms, including smartphone. And going by the article I just found they have 2 more games coming soon that are smartphone focused based on well known franchises. So it looks like my prediction is coming true as I didn't even know Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing were destined for smartphones.

Take a breather Val. If you're going to respond, at least fully understand the person's post. Believe it or not, there's something called paragraphs.
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You are insinuating that because they are making MOBILE games on smart phones(totally different market) and because the Wii U bombed that they should/could become a 3rd party.

I read both posts and its pretty clear that's what you are saying.

Post 1 I answered with MS and Xbox should go 3rd party as well being they haven't won a single generation and aren't giving much of a fight WW when compared 2 the PS4 and now let me add.....Also more likely 2 go 3rd party because of there exclusives going 2 the PC(same market).

Again I ask am I doing this right?

LOL
 
VaLLiancE said:
You are insinuating that because they are making MOBILE games on smart phones(totally different market) and because the Wii U bombed that they should/could become a 3rd party.

I read both posts and its pretty clear that's what you are saying.

Post 1 I answered with MS and Xbox should go 3rd party as well being they haven't won a single generation and aren't giving much of a fight WW when compared 2 the PS4 and now let me add.....Also more likely 2 go 3rd party because of there exclusives going 2 the PC(same market).

Again I ask am I doing this right?

LOL
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You should read my posts again (assuming you can comprehend). If you want, I can write them as one big paragraph, since you don't seem to read people's posts after the first paragraph.

Geez..... do I have to go back 30 years to the time I tutored students with writing and reading skills?
 
So Nintendo is after all not using X86 architecture but instead rumoured to be going Nvidia Tegra. If this is true, its all the more pointing to some sort of hybrid portable-console.
 
TheGeneral said:
So Nintendo is after all not using X86 architecture but instead rumoured to be going Nvidia Tegra. If this is true, its all the more pointing to some sort of hybrid portable-console.
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I read the same rumour.

It is also rumoured the power of the system isn't anything special either. Comparable to X1/PS4..... just like how Wii U is in the ballpark of 360/PS3.

If it's all true, looks like the NX strategy is Wii U all over again, but with added focus on mobile.

The initial NX talk way back mentioned a focus on mobile, so it looks like guesswork continues the same theme.
 
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