PS4 Pro discussion.

[Shawn Jelsic]

You're really not getting it. 4K streaming DOES NOT compare to UHD Blu Ray. Just like Netflix 1080p doesn't compare to Blu Ray. Just because it says 4K or 1080p, it is not all created equally, that's not to mention the audio experience in which I know for a fact that Netflix doesn't offer True HD, DTS-HD let alone the next gen formats like Atmos and DTS:X.

I'm sorry but you really have 0 idea about what you're talking about.

LoL!

Of course there is a difference between the two, but answer me this: if you don't have a 4K set, what's the point of the UHD BluRay drive? The same amount of money you will shell out for a 4K television set for that pretty movie picture, your games will still suffer, not to mention the absence of VR.

Why not buy a dedicated player for cheap.......if you are THAT concerned about quality and get a low cost VR capable unit? Or better yet, just get the elite. My point is, the upgrade is minor when compared to not having the option AT ALL when you are forking over for just a TV.

Does that make sense now?

 

[Plainview]

LoL!

Of course there is a difference between the two, but answer me this: if you don't have a 4K set, what's the point of the UHD BluRay drive? The same amount of money you will shell out for a 4K television set for that pretty movie picture, your games will still suffer, not to mention the absence of VR.

Why not buy a dedicated player for cheap.......if you are THAT concerned about quality and get a low cost VR capable unit? Or better yet, just get the elite. My point is, the upgrade is minor when compared to not having the option AT ALL when you are forking over for just a TV.

Does that make sense now?

You're not getting a dedicated for $15. Also, Sony is the one pushing 4K. They made it clear that no 4K tv = you shouldn't get a Pro.

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

You're not getting a dedicated for $15. Also, Sony is the one pushing 4K. They made it clear that no 4K tv = you shouldn't get a Pro.

Nor are you getting a TV for that amount, let alone everything else that you'll be missing out on.

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[Plainview]

Nor are you getting a TV for that amount, let alone everything else that you'll be missing out on.

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What does tha have to do with the price of tea in China?

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

What does tha have to do with the price of tea in China?

Nothing.... I simply con them.

 

[Oblong]

LoL!

Of course there is a difference between the two, but answer me this: if you don't have a 4K set, what's the point of the UHD BluRay drive? The same amount of money you will shell out for a 4K television set for that pretty movie picture, your games will still suffer, not to mention the absence of VR.

Why not buy a dedicated player for cheap.......if you are THAT concerned about quality and get a low cost VR capable unit? Or better yet, just get the elite. My point is, the upgrade is minor when compared to not having the option AT ALL when you are forking over for just a TV.

Does that make sense now?

I read this 3 times and I am still unable to find a lick of sense. I will give you credit, the only reason I did take the time for 3 read-throughs is that you have a great ability to make it sound like there is a reasonable argument inside. I've seen masters of doublespeak...you make them look like amateurs with your triplespeak.

 

[eVo7]

LoL!

Of course there is a difference between the two, but answer me this: if you don't have a 4K set, what's the point of the UHD BluRay drive? The same amount of money you will shell out for a 4K television set for that pretty movie picture, your games will still suffer, not to mention the absence of VR.

Why not buy a dedicated player for cheap.......if you are THAT concerned about quality and get a low cost VR capable unit? Or better yet, just get the elite. My point is, the upgrade is minor when compared to not having the option AT ALL when you are forking over for just a TV.

Does that make sense now?

No, "Of course there is a difference" .......you had no damn idea which is why you stated this:

"this is true, then why is a huge inference being placed on the UHD drive when that very same experience can be had elsewhere"

Anyone that had a clue wouldn't have stated that^^^.

You DO NOT get the "very same experience" from streaming services.

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

No, "Of course there is a difference" .......you had no damn idea which is why you stated this:

"this is true, then why is a huge inference being placed on the UHD drive when that very same experience can be had elsewhere"

Anyone that had a clue wouldn't have stated that^^^.

You DO NOT get the "very same experience" from streaming services.

LOL!

Ok, and what is your point to this entire debate again?

 

[Kassen]

You're not getting a dedicated for $15. Also, Sony is the one pushing 4K. They made it clear that no 4K tv = you shouldn't get a Pro.

Actually, Sony did make out pretty clear that 1080p TVs will benefit as well.

 

[OfficialSono]

I streamed some of the PS4 pro games via YouTube in 4K on my P-Series and the picture looked fantastic.

 

[JinCA]

Amazon product

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/hisense...h-dynamic-range-black/4982500.p?skuId=4982500

Full Array LED 4K/HDR (company owns Sharp)
Has a 1080p/120hz input for high speed gaming

Here is a review for that set.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/hisense/h8c

Although the H8C features a full-array backlight, it doesn't have many zones and takes a while to turn regions on and off. We recommend disabling it, as it is not very effective.
A red tint can be seen preceding the white square or circle, this is due to the fact that the red sub-pixel having a different response time than the green and blue one. It is the first time that we noticed a difference big enough that we could see it on our test video.

Even at a slight angle, the picture quality of the H8C degrades very rapidly. This is an issue for anyone who doesn't sit directly in front of the TV.
HDR10 : No
Dolby Vision: No

 

[TeKPhaN]

To early in the mourn to breakdown everything the above site states about the TV that is wrong(like the specs for one) but I have seen it 1st hand.
Its better than the Edge Lit Sony he inquired about which is good for low input lag but the Hisense also has a low input lag input for gaming.

 

[eVo7]

LOL!

Ok, and what is your point to this entire debate again?

You said it's no big deal that there is no UHD Blu Ray drive because you can get the exact same experience through streaming services, when you indeed CANNOT.

 

[Repetae]

You're not getting a dedicated for $15. Also, Sony is the one pushing 4K. They made it clear that no 4K tv = you shouldn't get a Pro.

That's a Lie, What they have made clear is that if you have a 1080P set you will most likely get Ultra gfx settings like in ROTTR. No where have they stated that there will be No benefit for People without a 4K TV.

 

[Plainview]

That's a Lie, What they have made clear is that if you have a 1080P set you will most likely get Ultra gfx settings like in ROTTR. No where have they stated that there will be No benefit for People without a 4K TV.

That's not what I've read. People in this very thread said otherwise 'No 4k tv means no reason to get' and 'Seemed like Sony was trying to push their TVs rather than the Pro.' So there will be a massive benefit for those that do not have a 4k TV?

 

[Entreri804]

That's not what I've read. People in this very thread said otherwise 'No 4k tv means no reason to get' and 'Seemed like Sony was trying to push their TVs rather than the Pro.' So there will be a massive benefit for those that do not have a 4k TV?

And the biggest thing is in order to reap the benefits of HDR. you need a 4K set . Sony is even Enabling HDR output for the standard ps4 as well.

 

[Frozpot]

That's not what I've read. People in this very thread said otherwise 'No 4k tv means no reason to get' and 'Seemed like Sony was trying to push their TVs rather than the Pro.' So there will be a massive benefit for those that do not have a 4k TV?

Don't listen to those people. It's a much more powerful box. I would absolutely expect devs to make it worthwile for those (the majority) with 1080p sets. If you don't care about a cleaner image and better framerates (at a minimum) then you can ignore it. It won't be any different a situation with Scorpio.

 

[Kerosene31]

They mentioned 1080p sets in their presentation on the Pro. The only question is how much the pro improves games outside of 4k and how much the devs take advantage of. There's definitely an improvement - whether that improvement is worth $400 is another question.

I'll be buying a 4k TV eventually. If I don't have it by the time Pro launches, no big deal.

 

[Kvally]

This one is from Guerilla: "There’s a lot of magic sauce happening,” Guerrilla Games managing director Hermen Hulst said during a roundtable with reporters yesterday. “It’s not native 4K. But as you see for yourself, it’s perceptively so close that you wouldn’t be able to see the difference.”

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/235274-how-sonys-playstation-4-pro-does-4k-without-delivering-4k

Thanks Shawn......Good ol' Guerilla trying to pull the wool over your eyes yet again....and they did it with Killzone 4....

"Guerrilla Games explained today that it uses a technique called "temporal reprojection" to combine pixels and motion vectors from multiple lower-resolution frames as a means to reconstruct a full 1080p image.

"If native means that every part of the pipeline is 1080p then this technique is not native," producer Poria Torkan said. "Games often employ different resolutions in different parts of their rendering pipeline.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps...v-responds-to-1080p-controversy/1100-6418142/

(anyone remember when people were calling Quantum Break 720p, even though they called it 1080p from Temporal Reconstruction?)

 

[Kassen]

That's not what I've read. People in this very thread said otherwise 'No 4k tv means no reason to get' and 'Seemed like Sony was trying to push their TVs rather than the Pro.' So there will be a massive benefit for those that do not have a 4k TV?

Watch the conference and they do make it clear that 1080p TVs benefit. Forum goers' word isn't Sony's word. They have talked about 1080p TVs getting additional graphics and supersampling.

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

That's not what I've read. People in this very thread said otherwise 'No 4k tv means no reason to get' and 'Seemed like Sony was trying to push their TVs rather than the Pro.' So there will be a massive benefit for those that do not have a 4k TV?

If you look at the video in my post for #707, you'll know that Mark Cerny outright states this as well as the benefit to VR. I really didn't think I needed to mention that with the video to catch everyone who may have thought otherwise up to speed.

 

[Kvally]

^needs an avatar

 

[Troublegum]

^needs an avatar

 

[Dno69]

Thanks Shawn......Good ol' Guerilla trying to pull the wool over your eyes yet again....and they did it with Killzone 4....

"Guerrilla Games explained today that it uses a technique called "temporal reprojection" to combine pixels and motion vectors from multiple lower-resolution frames as a means to reconstruct a full 1080p image.

"If native means that every part of the pipeline is 1080p then this technique is not native," producer Poria Torkan said. "Games often employ different resolutions in different parts of their rendering pipeline.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps...v-responds-to-1080p-controversy/1100-6418142/

(anyone remember when people were calling Quantum Break 720p, even though they called it 1080p from Temporal Reconstruction?)

Quantum Break looked like ass though. Well Some assets did. Real mixed bag.

 

[Kvally]

Quantum Break looked like ass though. Well Some assets did. Real mixed bag.

I agree some did but overall it was awesome looking.

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

No, "Of course there is a difference" .......you had no damn idea which is why you stated this:

"this is true, then why is a huge inference being placed on the UHD drive when that very same experience can be had elsewhere"

Anyone that had a clue wouldn't have stated that^^^.

You DO NOT get the "very same experience" from streaming services.

LoL!

This is so irrelevant. I honestly think you've run out of steam.

If the console didn't support 4K video for a 4KTV set, I think you would be making a good point. But the fact that it does support 4K video -- albeit not to YOUR standards, it kinda chucks a wrench at the whole 4K debate. THAT’S where I was getting at with "the same experience". In case you didn't notice, i do buy, rent and stream my content both digitally and physically all the time, and it doesn't bother me one bit which ever one I get first. That's how small that quality is to me. And since we are moving into the digital age, i don't see why anyone else should be bothered.

You, on the other hand, seem more concerned about the absolute richness of your content. Hey, which ever floats your boat. Get a dedicated piece of hardware if it bothers you that much. But because we are headed into the digital age, the physical media will become even more inflexible and eventually stagnate to the digital world.

But anyway.... All of this is irrelevant to my initial debate and that's the hypocrisy surrounding these platforms. Bottom line, if I don't have a 4K TV, an UHD BluRay player is completely useless to me in the very same way 4K video would be useless to a system that supported it but a 4K TV was missing from the equation. Yet, all the attention, concern and despair seems to be focused on the fact that the PS4 Pro needs a high dollar, 4K TV to experience 4K but praise is given to the competing platform for supporting a 4K format even though it, too, needs a high dollar 4KTV in order for the player to be justified. If that isn't the biggest pile of dong I ever witness. LoL! Unlike the competition's system, a 4K TV doesn't need to be present before value is added to ANY of the PS4 consoles, but no one sees that part.

 

[Kassen]

4K streaming content meets no one's standards.

 

[Plainview]

Alright, the Pro is going to offer benefits to anybody that is going to buy it. It's not a perfect system and is definitely a stopgap for the PlayStation 5 and what the PSVR really needs to shine. It doesn't have a UHDBR but it doesn't matter really since it's a game console. Is it a negative, yes. Is it a deal breaker, no. Is it worth it, for some, yes, for others no.

We're all gamers and we should be happy for those that are interested in the system. We all benefit from gamers happiness.

 

[GordoSan]

LoL!

This is so irrelevant. I honestly think you've run out of steam.

If the console didn't support 4K video for a 4KTV set, I think you would be making a good point. But the fact that it does support 4K video -- albeit not to YOUR standards, it kinda chucks a wrench at the whole 4K debate. THAT’S where I was getting at with "the same experience". In case you didn't notice, i do buy, rent and stream my content both digitally and physically all the time, and it doesn't bother me one bit which ever one I get first. That's how small that quality is to me. And since we are moving into the digital age, i don't see why anyone else should be bothered.

You, on the other hand, seem more concerned about the absolute richness of your content. Hey, which ever floats your boat. Get a dedicated piece of hardware if it bothers you that much. But because we are headed into the digital age, the physical media will become even more inflexible and eventually stagnate to the digital world.

But anyway.... All of this is irrelevant to my initial debate and that's the hypocrisy surrounding these platforms. Bottom line, if I don't have a 4K TV, an UHD BluRay player is completely useless to me in the very same way 4K video would be useless to a system that supported it but a 4K TV was missing from the equation. Yet, all the attention, concern and despair seems to be focused on the fact that the PS4 Pro needs a high dollar, 4K TV to experience 4K but praise is given to the competing platform for supporting a 4K format even though it, too, needs a high dollar 4KTV in order for the player to be justified. If that isn't the biggest pile of dong I ever witness. LoL! Unlike the competition's system, a 4K TV doesn't need to be present before value is added to ANY of the PS4 consoles, but no one sees that part.

Are you comparing the Pro to the S, or do you not think you would see a difference on Scorpio on a 1080p set?

Also, it isn't like Netflix has all (or even many) new releases. They also charge more for 4K streaming. Streaming rentals also cost more. You are also possibly going to have to increase your Internet plan. The benifits of streaming video is no different now than it was when Sony debuted the PS4 with Blu-ray. It seems a hell of an about-face for Sony to abandon the future of a medium that they started in the first place.

 

[pravus]

There is a massive difference between UHD Blu-Rays and Netflix. And holy s***, youtube 4k? You encode your youtube videos to 4k when you want it to decently display 1080p/1440p videos; there is a lot of quality lost there and if can't appreciate that, then you might as well just stick to DVD's and the standard PS4 (not saying this is a bad angle, but if you aren't seeing a difference in video, what are the odds upgraded graphics won't be completely lost on you as well?).

Yet, all the attention, concern and despair seems to be focused on the fact that the PS4 Pro needs a high dollar, 4K TV to experience 4K but praise is given to the competing platform for supporting a 4K format even though it, too, needs a high dollar 4KTV in order for the player to be justified. If that isn't the biggest pile of dong I ever witness. LoL! Unlike the competition's system, a 4K TV doesn't need to be present before value is added to ANY of the PS4 consoles, but no one sees that part.

Who is complaining about needing a 4k tv to experience 4k?

Also, there are reasonably priced 4k HDTV's out there, that really aren't too much pricier than 1080p sets.