PS4 Pro discussion.

[Shawn Jelsic]

Are you comparing the Pro to the S, or do you not think you would see a difference on Scorpio on a 1080p set?

Also, it isn't like Netflix has all (or even many) new releases. They also charge more for 4K streaming. Streaming rentals also cost more. You are also possibly going to have to increase your Internet plan. The benifits of streaming video is no different now than it was when Sony debuted the PS4 with Blu-ray. It seems a hell of an about-face for Sony to abandon the future of a medium that they started in the first place.

The Scorpio is over a year away. It is of no concern at the moment. Currently speaking, the S is the only competition, and merely supports a UHD drive, but that is all it supports. So if you don't have a 4K TV, what's the whole point of the UHD drive being of any use or an advantage to the system? Without a 4K TV, you basically have a vanilla system. Where is the extra added value? Now if you were to flip sides here and compared that to the competition, you'd see VR as that added value, and that doesn't take a special TV for that experience to be had. In fact, it doesn't require a TV at all. Here, is where that extra added value lies.

By taking it a gear up, you have Pro, which does this but better and again, without an 4K TV. Here alone is your extra added value. When a 4K screen is tacked on, that value is multiplied.

As far as digital, you are comparing a NOW experience to a later on experience. You forget, 4K is relatively new. Why would a plethora of content be on the market when 4K televisions have barely penetrated home? That doesn't mean more options aren't coming which also breeds competitive pricing. Sony obviously chose to go digital because digital is the future of content over the physical media.

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

Who is complaining about needing a 4k tv to experience 4k?

Also, there are reasonably priced 4k HDTV's out there, that really aren't too much pricier than 1080p sets.

At the cost of a TV for one thing, you may miss out on something else.

 

[pravus]

At the cost of a TV for one thing, you may miss out on something else.

1080p HDTV's aren't free either.

Hell, if you are sticking with even a slightly older 1080p set, you're likely missing out on HDR as well.

A small bump in price for a more future proof set with HDR/4k is money well spent if you happen to be in the market for one.

The Scorpio is over a year away. It is of no concern at the moment. Currently speaking, the S is the only competition, and merely supports a UHD drive, but that is all it supports. So if you don't have a 4K TV, what's the whole point of the UHD drive being of any use or an advantage to the system? Without a 4K TV, you basically have a vanilla system. Where is the extra added value? Now if you were to flip sides here and compared that to the competition, you'd see VR as that added value, and that doesn't take a special TV for that experience to be had. In fact, it doesn't require a TV at all. Here, is where that extra added value lies.

By taking it a gear up, you have Pro, which does this but better and again, without an 4K TV. Here alone is your extra added value. When a 4K screen is tacked on, that value is multiplied.

As far as digital, you are comparing a NOW experience to a later on experience. You forget, 4K is relatively new. Why would a plethora of content be on the market when 4K televisions have barely penetrated home? That doesn't mean more options aren't coming which also breeds competitive pricing. Sony obviously chose to go digital because digital is the future of content over the physical media.

You have the weirdest posts man.

You complain about an Xbox One S needing a 4k set to see extra benefit.

Then you throw in VR with PS4 as an extra benefit that "doesn't take a special TV" for the experience to be had.... ? Umm... yes it does. It requires a special TV that you strap to your face and it isn't free either.

 

[Dno69]

At the cost of a TV for one thing, you may miss out on something else.

Like PSVR?

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

Like PSVR?

That, the other or both

 

[Dno69]

That, the other or both

I mean that $400 could go a long ways towards a 4K tv.

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

You have the weirdest posts man.

You complain about an Xbox One S needing a 4k set to see extra benefit.

Then you throw in VR with PS4 as an extra benefit that "doesn't take a special TV" for the experience to be had.... ? Umm... yes it does. It requires a special TV that you strap to your face and it isn't free either.

Ok, get a TV. After your video, then what?

 

[GordoSan]

Right. I'm going to get the SS4 Pro, but I also think defending Sony not putting in a $12-$15 upgrade to add the best UHD experience possible is really stupid. I'm sure the cost would be like $5 extra within a year. Why NOT add it?

This decision will likely prompt more dual-console owners, for sure. Especially since Xbox S can be had on the cheap.

I don't even have a 4K set yet, either. I still would rather invest in a console that has me covered for at least 3 years. This is why people are upset about the decision.

 

[pravus]

Ok, get a TV. After your video, then what?

Then you find way more uses for it than a PSVR; including getting the most out of an Xbox One S, PS4, PS4 Slim, PS4 Pro, Xbox Scorpio, a PC etc etc.

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

Then you find way more uses for it than a PSVR; including getting the most out of an Xbox One S, PS4, PS4 Slim, PS4 Pro, Xbox Scorpio, a PC etc etc.

Well 4K hasn't really taken off. So by jumping in so early, I'm sure there wouldn't be much to choose from as apposed to a game platform being put to good use is how I see it for the wider consumer.

 

[pravus]

Well 4K hasn't really taken off. So by jumping in so early, I'm sure there wouldn't be much to choose from as apposed to a game platform being put to good use is how I see it for the wider consumer.

That's not even true though, you just made that up. 4k HDTV market is tracking faster than 1080p ever did.

 

[GordoSan]

Well 4K hasn't really taken off. So by jumping in so early, I'm sure there wouldn't be much to choose from as apposed to a game platform being put to good use is how I see it for the wider consumer.

From what I've been hearing, 4K is now a given for all but the smaller HDTV'S. Next year will be ripe, with the sets drastically falling in price. I will need those bells and wistles by then. I'm likely getting a new projector next year. That is why I don't need an Xbox One S, really. I think I will get a Pro, then Scorpio and I'll be set.

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

That's not even true though, you just made that up. 4k HDTV market is tracking faster than 1080p ever did.

From what I understand, its at a third right now. Content is the main concern more than anything. The way I look at it, you can upgrade a TV at any time, consoles, not so much.

 

[Oblong]

From what I understand, its at a third right now. Content is the main concern more than anything. The way I look at it, you can upgrade a TV at any time, consoles, not so much.

But on the other hand VR content right now is plentiful and robust, right?

 

[TheGeneral]

From what I understand, its at a third right now. Content is the main concern more than anything. The way I look at it, you can upgrade a TV at any time, consoles, not so much.

Given that you say you can upgrade your TV at anytime and your console not so much, one would think a 4K UHD player would be included in the console to future proof. Besides there is a good deal of 4K Bluray content you can purchase on Amazon, eBay etc.

 

[BDaddyK]

If it had a UHD player Sony wouldn't have as much room to charge $30 a pop to rent you UHD movies...

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

But on the other hand VR content right now is plentiful and robust, right?

Fifty games just for launch, I'd say it is pretty robust. With a movie, that can be experienced anywhere on the previous formats and digitally. The only difference with 4K movies is.......well they are in 4K. Your experience really doesn't change and because it doesn't is the very reason you can upgrade to these types of things at any time.

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

Given that you say you can upgrade your TV at anytime and your console not so much, one would think a 4K UHD player would be included in the console to future proof. Besides there is a good deal of 4K Bluray content you can purchase on Amazon, eBay etc.

But it wasn't included, and honestly, i really don't think it matters for two reasons:

1. 4K video can be had on the PS4 Pro
2. You can simply buy a dedicated BluRay player

By doing either of the above two, the door remains open for everything else in case you'd like to upgrade later on.

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

If it had a UHD player Sony wouldn't have as much room to charge $30 a pop to rent you UHD movies...

Like PlayStation Vue was when it was in it's infancy, 4K is very new. Competitive pricing and saturation will play a huge factor when 4K gets a little more popular, I'm sure.

 

[BDaddyK]

Like PlayStation Vue was when it was in it's infancy, 4K is very new. Competitive pricing and saturation will play a huge factor when 4K gets a little more popular, I'm sure.

Yeah, $30 a month for 55 channels and $30 a pop to rent streamed movies is in the same ballpark...

 

[Oblong]

Fifty games just for launch, I'd say it is pretty robust. With a movie, that can be experienced anywhere on the previous formats and digitally. The only difference with 4K movies is.......well they are in 4K. Your experience really doesn't change and because it doesn't is the very reason you can upgrade to these types of things at any time.

What you call 50 games the rest of the world calls 47 tech demos and 3 games. Not robust.

And if you feel movies aren't enhanced by 4k then you must love the PS4 Pro for what it is doing to all the current games, huh. May as well just stick the regular PS4 since all the games coming out will work for that too.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Given that you say you can upgrade your TV at anytime and your console not so much, one would think a 4K UHD player would be included in the console to future proof. Besides there is a good deal of 4K Bluray content you can purchase on Amazon, eBay etc.

Considering the Pro is limited by the Bluray drive of the PS4 including the UHDBR drive isn't so much future proofing on the GAMING aspect of things.

For MOVIE WATCHING streaming 4K is cheaper/convenient,has much more content and looks great on my sets BUT theirs nothing like uncompressed UHDBR. Having both would be ideal but a $399 price tag is more ideal IMO.

 

[pravus]

Considering the Pro is limited by the Bluray drive of the PS4 including the UHDBR drive isn't so much future proofing on the GAMING aspect of things.

For MOVIE WATCHING streaming 4K is cheaper/convenient,has much more content and looks great on my sets BUT theirs nothing like uncompressed UHDBR. Having both would be ideal but a $399 price tag is more ideal IMO.

I have a hard time buying that price is what limited them in not putting it in there.

Why doesn't PS4 Slim have it then? That thing has to be much cheaper to build than the Xbox One and One S at this point by a good margin - and they managed to include it. PS4 Slim didn't need to hit some arbitrarily lower price point like the Pro.

I think it's because they want you on Vue or renting/buying directly from their digital store. And that's pretty f***ed up.

Same s*** they did by not allowing EA Access; they don't want you subscribing to another game service... unless it's PS Now of course.

 

[Dno69]

But it wasn't included, and honestly, i really don't think it matters for two reasons:

1. 4K video can be had on the PS4 Pro
2. You can simply buy a dedicated BluRay player * a Sony branded 4K Bluray player. Win win for Sony.

By doing either of the above two, the door remains open for everything else in case you'd like to upgrade later on.

 

[TeKPhaN]

I have a hard time buying that price is what limited them in not putting it in there.

Why doesn't PS4 Slim have it then? That thing has to be much cheaper to build than the Xbox One and One S at this point by a good margin - and they managed to include it. PS4 Slim didn't need to hit some arbitrarily lower price point like the Pro.

Not trying to be mean but its pretty clear price was the reason not sure why you are choosing not to see this.

Why would the Slim have it? Because the weaker spec XBO S has it not the same ball park.
That's like comparing apples to grapefruits.
Its great that the XBO S has it but its not full featured,I'm hearing the XBO S suffers from the crush black issues that Xbox has always suffered from and I am sure its a cheaply made one.

BUT still would rather have it

 

[Dno69]

I've decided to skip the X1 S and "Go Pro" on Nov 10th.

It sucks that the there's no 4K Bluray. But I'd rather have the improved IQ for gaming.

 

[TeKPhaN]

I've decided to skip the X1 S and "Go Pro" on Nov 10th.

It sucks that the there's no 4K Bluray. But I'd rather have the improved IQ for gaming.

This is what a GAMER who wanted to plays GAMES would do.

I want a XBO S yes its true but the model I want is way over priced so its a skip.

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

What you call 50 games the rest of the world calls 47 tech demos and 3 games. Not robust.

No, just yourself.

And if you feel movies aren't enhanced by 4k then you must love the PS4 Pro for what it is doing to all the current games, huh. May as well just stick the regular PS4 since all the games coming out will work for that too.

FYI, the PS4 Pro does not need a 4K TV to enhance your games. Even with a 1080p set will it increase all the settings from the vanilla version. It will also increase the VR settings of the vanilla version, making a faster, sharper experience with no 4K TV present or any TV for that matter. But, if you want to stick to the vanilla or slim, that works, too as there is still a pretty big incentive for the little guys.

 

[Oblong]

No, just yourself.



FYI, the PS4 Pro does not need a 4K TV to enhance your games. Even with a 1080p set will it increase all the settings from the vanilla version. It will also increase the VR settings of the vanilla version, making a faster, sharper experience with no 4K TV present or any TV for that matter. But, if you want to stick to the vanilla or slim, that works, too as there is still a pretty big incentive for the little guys.

Dude, seriously?!?? Do you know what a FULL $60 gaming experience is?

Full Game - The Golf Club, Rory McIlroy PGA Tour Golf, Hot Shots Golf
Tech Demo - 100 Foot Robot Golf (like 1 course, 4 robots to choose from, 3 clubs in the bag, no tournaments, no seasons, etc)

Full Game - FIFA 17, Pro Evolution Soccer 17
Tech Demo - Headmaster (you head the ball into a goal...yes, that's it! No teams, players, seasons, tournaments, online play, etc)

I could do this another 45 times but why waste my breath on idiocity?


As for your other point, you said movies are still movies whether it be 1080p or 4K. Well guess what? So are games. The added crispness doesn't change gameplay or anything else. It's no different. Don't tell us movies don't benefit from a 4k experience and then turn around and make it like there is this big incentive to step up to a Pro.

Now it's fine if you do want to say there is a big incentive, but if you do you are going to have to also concede that it was a big mistake for Sony not to add a 4K movie drive as well. Be consistent.

 

[pravus]

Not trying to be mean but its pretty clear price was the reason not sure why you are choosing not to see this.

Why would the Slim have it? Because the weaker spec XBO S has it not the same ball park.
That's like comparing apples to grapefruits.
Its great that the XBO S has it but its not full featured,I'm hearing the XBO S suffers from the crush black issues that Xbox has always suffered from and I am sure its a cheaply made one.

BUT still would rather have it

I guess I'll just stop complaining about it.

It doesn't matter in the end for me anyways, since I'll already have an S and a Scorpio, and they'll both have it, so I'm covered in my household.

My PS4 will be purely for offline single-player gaming and maybe Remote Play.