Sony and MS working on PS4.5 and XboxOne.5?
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I wonder if the updated consoles are more about VR than 4K?
Stable 1080p/60 with 4K movie playback/ streaming.
Stable 1080p/60 with 4K movie playback/ streaming.
This would be my guess.
I still think this is a terrible idea. Releasing another SKU that is a slightly more powerful version is going to fragment your userbase and introduce an inferiority complex.
An updated console now would kill launch consoles in the future. I bought an X1 at launch and I'm fine with price drops (to be expected) but if a new model comes out this soon that plays games faster? Uhh no.
Well, well, well. Look at that.
Pretty sure both systems can output 4k media already (not gaming related). So any kind of update to solely base on high def media (is there even super BR 4k or streaming 4k even available?) and such is a moot point. It already does it (I think). I remember articles saying PS4/X1 can do 4k multimedia..... unless it wasn't true.
So it looks like a mid-generation spec boost. Seems pointless to me. It's not a full fledged generational bump, so it's doubtful any cpu or gpu increase will be big enough to do high budget games great at 4k anyway. So all I see is indie style games perhaps getting bumped to 4k if the dev feels like doing it.
However, if X1/PS4 cannot do 4k anything, then a mid-gen boost for satisfying 4k media (which I don't see coming widespread anytime soon) is possible. Although, you'd think they'd just focus on current systems and just make them cheap.
Perhaps it's a two tiered system:
Regular X1/PS4 at $xxx.xx
4k X1/PS4 at $xxx.xx +$50-100
Pretty sure both systems can output 4k media already (not gaming related). So any kind of update to solely base on high def media (is there even super BR 4k or streaming 4k even available?) and such is a moot point. It already does it (I think). I remember articles saying PS4/X1 can do 4k multimedia..... unless it wasn't true.
So it looks like a mid-generation spec boost. Seems pointless to me. It's not a full fledged generational bump, so it's doubtful any cpu or gpu increase will be big enough to do high budget games great at 4k anyway. So all I see is indie style games perhaps getting bumped to 4k if the dev feels like doing it.
However, if X1/PS4 cannot do 4k anything, then a mid-gen boost for satisfying 4k media (which I don't see coming widespread anytime soon) is possible. Although, you'd think they'd just focus on current systems and just make them cheap.
Perhaps it's a two tiered system:
Regular X1/PS4 at $xxx.xx
4k X1/PS4 at $xxx.xx +$50-100
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Given the trend, I doubt it either.
Devs have no problem letting PC games let loose with performance based on whatever cpu/gpu they have (although some games try to lock certain graphics/res).
But when it comes to consoles, devs sure love to clamp down on a low denominator. And yet again fps is usually 30 fps..... just like last gen, so their graphic artists can cram in a few thousand more super vertex intergalactic light beam quasars.... which most people won't notice.
At least sports and shooters are mostly 60 fps. Important for competitive play.
If memory serves, I don't think the HDMI format used by both consoles can support 4k. But I get where you're coming from.
Not only that, if they did, they'd be catering to a vast minority. There simply isn't enough 4k screens in home to justify a mass market appeal in 2016.
Now, I'm off to google some numbers about 4k tv sales.
Similar arguments were made about the Xbox 360's High Definition focus back in 2005. 4 years later, the Xbox 360 was seen as a "modern console" while the original Wii was viewed as outdated due to it not supporting HD.
People who are hoping that this is just a slim and nothing more should consider the fact that there's less "casuals" in console gaming now; A "typical slim" this gen isn't going to have the same success as slims did during previous gens. Many are used to updated versions of products being more than just better/smaller design these days too anyway (e.g.: iPhone S models). This move will attract some casuals and some core gamers to both models (PS4 and PS4.5) instead of just having everything be replaced by a new slim model.
Unlike the Xbox 360 in 2005, all current gen consoles (Wii U, Xbox One, PS4) were outdated at launch. It wouldn't make much sense releasing a new version of a device in late 2016 (or 2017) with specs that were acceptable 8 years ago.
I could understand some of these reactions if the PS4.5 would instantly end support of the PS4 but there are absolutely no signs of that at all. It's looking like the PS4.5 will have no exclusives and only play PS4 games (but a bit better). People who have a PS4 now will still get 4+ years of great game support.
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Yeaaaaaaaaahhhh... No.
HDTV was a huge turning point for the entertainment industry. Crt was dying. Industry standards were being set. X360's birth was a lot different to now.
It is not the same situation.
People don't have 'tv envy' in the same way. We have curved, 3d, oled, LCD blah blah blah.
Would you like a 40" 4k tv, or a 65" 3d HDTV?
Wasn't the 360 also outdated at launch? With graphical challenges that made the games hideous due to the ridiculously starch limitations of the hardware.
Wasn't the 360 considered pretty powerful at launch, I thought I recalled it had some pretty cutting edge tech for a console at the time?
Yeah. Pretty sure 360 held its own vs. good PC rigs for the first year, but then PCs took over. I remember Oblivion on 360 matching up very well against a decent PC.
I'm too lazy to see if X1/PS4 can actually handle 4k media. but the old articles were there.
If there are 4k consoles coming out to satisfy 4k users, I see it being the premium model. Instead of console makers making the premium model have a bigger harddrive like the ridiculous last gen days.... No HDD, 12gb, 20gb, 40gb, 60gb, 80gb, 120gb, 250gb etc.... Am I missing any? lol
MS and PS4 will just make 1 TB standard and make the extra $100 on a 4k capable system..... 4k media and 4k gaming..... although 4k gaming will be limited to indie style games as the spec boost won't be big enough to do high res games like a PC.
A PS4.5 makes more sense as it'll tie into helping PSVR perform better...... "PSVR..... better on PS4.5"
There's no X1 VR and Hololens, who knows if that will ever come out. Not anytime soon though. So if they do X1.5, it'll be for 4k media too and low end 4k gaming.
The Xbox 360 was a GeForce 7600GT equivalent at best with a serious 512MB RAM bottleneck. It had a lot of launch problems.
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I believe the GeForce 7600GT was 110 GBP when launched while the 360 core was 210 GBP when launched around the same time. To me it seems like it was a pretty good value.
It was much closer to high end PCs for its time than either PS4 or XB1 were when they launched. Xbox 360 also had the very first GPU on the market with unified shaders.
Consoles will now never match high end PC specs or performance at launch ever again.
I doubt it too.
The old days had console makers biting the bullet and losing money on high spec consoles for the first while. Now they want to make profit on day one, which gimps the specs.
If it was old gens, MS and Sony would take a hit on X1 and PS4 of maybe $200 each (excluding PS3 which had BR and out of the norm for console losses). I don't know what an extra $200 worth of specs could get you (at wholesale/manufacturer costs), but better than what we have now.
I never said it was the same. I simply said that people were making similar arguments back in 2005 about HD gaming and how "few people owned an HD TV". If anything, I would go as far as to say that there's more people who own a 4K TV now in comparison to the number of people who had an HDTV back in 2004/2005.
After seeing a decent amount of footage in 4K, I would take a 40" 4K TV.
I would have chosen the 65" 2+ years ago.
Unified shaders has nothing to do with power. And a 7600GT is actually the low end of the PC market, not the top.
I agree with you wow.
4K TV's are cheap these days and quality 1080p sets aren't made anymore.
My projector is 1080p, with 3D and 120Hz frame smoothing within 3D. I also have a fixed 92" screen. I would not currently exchange it for a much more expensive 4K HDTV. I've seen some great 4K content, but the DLP image is so smooth, even at 92".
This projector made it possible for me to believe in 3D again. 3D Blu-ray looks quite stunning. New movies have been coming out all the time, like The Walk, which simply has to be experienced that way! Wow, quite a ride! Anyway, I find it completely ridiculous that people consider 3D a passing fad, when there is actually a ton of movie content out and new content still coming out every month. I even have some classics, like Hitchcock's Dial "M" for Murder (color) and Creature from the Black Lagoon, which were shot this way, and shown in theaters with polarized glasses, just as they are now.
I find it really sad that this technology has so much potential for gaming, yet has been pushed to the wayside. The 2 issues I mainly heard about were "dorky glasses" and "processing power", which is rather ironic to me, that the same industry is so ready to back VR. Especially when they barely lifted a finger to give 3D gaming a proper go on consoles. Sometimes I wonder if I want to be "in the game" more than a solid 60 fps 3D game at 92" would have allowed, as opposed to an isolated VR experience.
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