Game Lineup Comparisons, v. 1.6
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QB isn't dudebro either. Yeah this is the part that baffles me... LETS NOT TALK ABOUT THOSE GAMES!! EAR MUFFS.
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Sometimes i wonder why THL isn't sent on vacation more often when it's obvious he's just trying to bash the Xbox brand. But then i remember, there's no astro or seekar this gen and Intelli and Flynn have been sparse lately. Someone's got to do the job.
I like sony's strategy, just pile up delays and games that should have already been out into one year so that it looks like a decent lineup, GT7, The Last Guardian, Ratchet and Clank, No Man's Sky(assuming)and UC4, 2 of those might not make 2016. They should just delay all those games to 2017 and have that year they were talking about in 2009 that never happened "year of the playstation"
Don't worry they will probably release their best stuff early again. So you can possibly still bash them in the fall.
I wish Sony would just go away so i could focus on Xbox. I have enough games to play, but i always have to own all three consoles. It's killing my sanity. I was secretly rooting for Microsoft to push them out of the business last gen. Not really, but i wouldn't have lost sleep over it. We'd still be getting all the games on one platform and we all know nobody does it better than Microsoft anyway.
I'm surprised I have to explain this to you. I really am.
When I say, or someone else says "This massive company is all about X", what they're really trying to say is "This massive company supports/creates/caters to X too much."
For example, one might say "The company that owns and runs Axe (body spray) is horrible for women."
And yet, the company that owns Axe, also owns Dove, which has run fantastic pro women ad campaigns for decades.
So yes, of course Microsoft, who is the third largest game publisher on the planet, does devote some resources to interesting and worthwhile products. What I'm saying is that Microsoft's focus leans far too much into these safe, focus tested type games.
You're absolutely right that those five 2016 games you mentioned are all doing something unique in this industry. What I'm saying is that those games aren't enough.
Let's put it another way for you. I'll have to do some digging on this, but from what I can gather, Microsoft doesn't have near the amount of developers that Sony has. Microsoft is large but they're not Sony large, in terms of number of teams/studios spread across the globe. You would have to be blind to see that Microsoft favors three studio's with an inordinate amount of attention. 343, The Coalition, and Turn 10. Studio's like these create massive, beautiful, fully featured, well polished experiences that are also boring as s***. Microsoft clearly finds a template that works, and then they milk it for all it's worth. I can't get behind that and I don't see how people who have enjoyed this industry for a time can either.
As far as your Shenmue III and Final Fantasy VII test group comment. You're not really correct here either.
I define a test group as the following. We find out who plays and buys the largest number of video games. This would be the middle school grade kids, the high school grade kids, and maybe the college age adults. Ages 13 - 21. We put them in a room, we find out what they concume en masse, and we transfer those things to our medium.
Shenmue II came out 15 years ago.
Final Fantasy VII came out 19 years ago.
The 13 - 21 year old kids in those focus groups, have no ties to games of eons past. Sony got those off the ground to appease a hardcore adult audience, not the focus group audience.
And no, Shenmue's popularity isn't overly exaggerated. It's well documented how poorly those games sold. The thing is, Sony and Yu Suzuki still think it's worth it. Microsoft wouldn't touch that franchise with a 10 foot pole.
And you show you know absolutely NOTHING about the videogame industry. The biggest group of people who play games are 18+ and the biggest demographic is 36+. The lowest demographic is under 18. You continue to make up absolute absurd fact to support an argument that's flawed from the very sentence.I'm surprised I have to explain this to you. I really am.
When I say, or someone else says "This massive company is all about X", what they're really trying to say is "This massive company supports/creates/caters to X too much."
For example, one might say "The company that owns and runs Axe (body spray) is horrible for women."
And yet, the company that owns Axe, also owns Dove, which has run fantastic pro women ad campaigns for decades.
So yes, of course Microsoft, who is the third largest game publisher on the planet, does devote some resources to interesting and worthwhile products. What I'm saying is that Microsoft's focus leans far too much into these safe, focus tested type games.
You're absolutely right that those five 2016 games you mentioned are all doing something unique in this industry. What I'm saying is that those games aren't enough.
Let's put it another way for you. I'll have to do some digging on this, but from what I can gather, Microsoft doesn't have near the amount of developers that Sony has. Microsoft is large but they're not Sony large, in terms of number of teams/studios spread across the globe. You would have to be blind to see that Microsoft favors three studio's with an inordinate amount of attention. 343, The Coalition, and Turn 10. Studio's like these create massive, beautiful, fully featured, well polished experiences that are also boring as s***. Microsoft clearly finds a template that works, and then they milk it for all it's worth. I can't get behind that and I don't see how people who have enjoyed this industry for a time can either.
As far as your Shenmue III and Final Fantasy VII test group comment. You're not really correct here either.
I define a test group as the following. We find out who plays and buys the largest number of video games. This would be the middle school grade kids, the high school grade kids, and maybe the college age adults. Ages 13 - 21. We put them in a room, we find out what they concume en masse, and we transfer those things to our medium.
Shenmue II came out 15 years ago.
Final Fantasy VII came out 19 years ago.
The 13 - 21 year old kids in those focus groups, have no ties to games of eons past. Sony got those off the ground to appease a hardcore adult audience, not the focus group audience.
And no, Shenmue's popularity isn't overly exaggerated. It's well documented how poorly those games sold. The thing is, Sony and Yu Suzuki still think it's worth it. Microsoft wouldn't touch that franchise with a 10 foot pole.
I'll sum up your ramble.
"Those five games are unique but they're not enough. Even those that's as many unique titles that Sony has in 2016, and possibly more due to Sony's delay track record, but it's still not enough. They need games more games in hypothetical demographics that play the least amount of games. That's how I measure what I would consider a successful lineup."
My original statement...
"Microsoft throws too much money towards safe/boring games." There's two key points there. 1, Microsoft's money. 2, safe/boring games.
You list three games, two of which show next to no financial investment from Microsoft.
I don't want a list war but let's try to give examples showing how MS is supporting interesting projects with time and money?
No. No they have not. How much do you think Microsoft is spending on Cuphead? How much do you think Microsoft spent on Ori? How much do you think Microsoft spends on the yearly installments of Forza, Halo, and Gears?
No.
Sony's treatment of Naughty Dog and Uncharted are so much different than Microsoft's treatment of Gears of War. Sony is focused much more on letting Naughty Dog be Naughty Dog, albeit with some pressure I'm sure. Microsoft created a Frankenstein company to keep the Gear of War franchise from going under.
There have been 3 Forza games on the XBox One. There hasn't been a single Gran Turismo 7 image leaked on the internet for the PS4. Once again, the treatment between the franchises are night and day.
Lastly, Sony allowed Guerilla to walk away from Killzone and make a single player, RPG, IP, starring a female protagonist rather than forcing them to make another Killzone. What did MS do when Bungie left?
Night. And. Day.
Sony isn't perfect. I never said they were. They're decisions simply align with ideologies that I respect more when compared to MS. Shadow of the Colossus sold a little over a million copies on the PS3. I'm sure the Ico/Shadow collection added a bit more to that number. Yet Shadow of the Colossus was arguably the most fawned over game from that generation. Sony saw that and decided to extend support to talent. How can you not get behind that?
No, Recore (we think), Scalebound, Sea of Thieves and Cuphead are not dudebro games. They're all interesting in there own way and I hope they turn out exceptionally well.
This however...
This is dudebro.
Stop reading "studies" supported by giant industries that try to tell the public that people play games after college.
It's such BS.
People get jobs, people get married, people have kids. Free time goes out the window when you get into the real world.
Just because someone dabbles in games be it on their IPhone, or they pick up a PS4 thinking they'll game on the weekends, doesn't mean that they're gamers. Gaming is most definitely an activity done mostly by kids in school. Disputing that is nonsense.
The biggest demographic is 36+ and the games look like they do?! What are you smoking?
I suppose the biggest demographic of The Hunger Games, The Hobbit, Transformers, and XMen are 36 plus too? Give me a break.
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So we are dismissing facts that we don't like now?
I love how someone isn't a gamer unless they are playing 100 hours a week
Your arguments are a complete failure made up of facts you make up as you go along to support your disasturments until the very last punctuation.
And the biggest demographic of moviegoers is 18-39. 40-49 go to the movies as often as 12-17 year olds.
Crackdown is about as dudebro as GTA.
Guerilla walked away from KZ because it's not their forte.
Guerilla walked away from KZ because it's not their forte.
How? MS paid money for Cuphead to not be on Playstation platforms months after it was originally revealed. MS pumped money into advertising Sunset Overdrive (as I've stated before), and MS had (smaller) launch events for Ori and the Blind Forest on top of giving support for a definition version of the game coming soon.
More than the typical digital title for the game to not be on Playstation 4.
More than the typical digital title based on launch events and support for the original and upcoming definitive version of the game.
In terms of Sunset Overdrive, they definitely spent a lot on it considering they showed ads for it during NFL games.
1. Those series don't have yearly mainline installments.
2. They spend a lot of money in terms of development and advertising since they are their biggest exclusive franchises. Not sure if your point is that they spend more on them then the other titles I mentioned or if they don't spend much on "rehashing" though.
Haha -- I wasn't talking about companies. I was talking about the exclusive franchises that both gaming brands are known for.
Horizon is different from Motorsport. Calling them all "Forza" is pretty disingenuous. And yes, there hasn't been a GT this gen (though they wanted Driveclub to have GT branding until Polyphony refused). Anyway, my point was never about "franchise treatment" and was (again) more about the exclusive games that both brands are known for. If you want to go down that path though then yes, MS and Forza vs. Sony and GT is pretty night and day considering how poorly GT has been handled for the past five years.
MS supported Insomniac's wishes for Sunset Overdrive while Sony refused them. There's many examples of "control freakness" for both companies. It's how they make money.
MS has given sequels to pretty low selling Xbox games too (Forza Horizon 2 for example).
No, Recore (we think), Scalebound, Sea of Thieves and Cuphead are not dudebro games. They're all interesting in there own way and I hope they turn out exceptionally well.
This however...
This is dudebro.
Why exactly? Guns? The game still looks to follow the similar colorful comic look of the previous Crackdown games.
Except that time MS published Shenmue 2 here.
http://www.ign.com/games/shenmue-ii/xbox-480600
Its nice of Sony to get Shenmue 3 some stage space to get it off the ground. But if they really believed in it wouldn't have been kickstarted.
What percentage of those 40 - 49 year olds are parents taking their kids to see kids movies?
Why are the top grossing movies, year after year, targetted towards the adolescent demographic?
For every successful franchise whether that be video games, movies, books, they will and have ALWAYS been ongoing. You don't just toss aside a valuable commodity just because a few individuals tire of that property. Video games like any commercial property are created to generate a profit.
For THL to even question this when speaking about Halo, Gears, Fable etc, goes to show this must be of an emotional response (personal) rather than one based on simple logic. Hence why I can't give an ounce of consideration to his posts. Their completely irrational.
For THL to even question this when speaking about Halo, Gears, Fable etc, goes to show this must be of an emotional response (personal) rather than one based on simple logic. Hence why I can't give an ounce of consideration to his posts. Their completely irrational.
Lol. Dismissing facts as usual. The largest demographic are responsible for, get this, the highest grossing movies, because, ya know, maths. Lowest demographics can't make highest grossing movies, because, ya know, maths.
Crackdown is not a dudebro game. Yes, it is a third-person shooter. But this game is way too niche and unpopular to be called a dudebro game. It should just be called the "failed dudebro experiment of year 2XXX." R.I.P. Crackdown. You'll live on in list wars and in our hearts!
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