Next Iteration Gaming: Neo, NX, and Scorpio, v. 2

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yup both x86 based and both use AMD chips.
Its up to the devs to put the effort.

False. It's not up to the devs at all.

Devs cannot do anything to magically make existing/legacy games run better in NEO's COMPAT mode.

The best devs can do is to update their games so that they can run in NEO mode. It is literally impossible for devs to magically make legacy titles run better in Meo's compat mode.

You got it totally wrong, VaLL.
 
If you want succinct:

No PS4 legacy game will get any benefit at all from running on a Neo while the Neo is in compat mode.
 
False. It's not up to the devs at all.

Devs cannot do anything to magically make existing/legacy games run better in NEO's COMPAT mode.

The best devs can do is to update their games so that they can run in NEO mode. It is literally impossible for devs to magically make legacy titles run better in Meo's compat mode.

You got it totally wrong, VaLL.
A dev CAN enhance the software period
 
It doesn't take a expert to see....

x86 based PS4/Neo
AMD chipsets PS4/Neo

Did you forget that these consoles are basically PC's now Flynn?
 
It doesn't take a expert to see....

x86 based PS4/Neo
AMD chipsets PS4/Neo

Did you forget that these consoles are basically PC's now Flynn?

VaLL, I don't think you're understanding the conversation (or I'm missing it). :-) I get we disagree on a lot, but we need to understand the conversation to partake in it... so this is long, but read it:

Now, I'm guessing and inferring Rollins IS NOT asking "if a dev makes a patch for their game, will it get a boost on Neo?", because that question is obviously YES. Obviously if a developers pops open their code base for a legacy title, re-compile with an updated Sony dev kit, and test out running their game in NEO mode they will be able to get a boost... but (again), I don't think that's what he was asking.

No argument there. Obviously that's true... and if Rollins was only asking that, then my apologies, I made a bad assumption. But let's look at the question he asked:

Rollins' Question:
"My question is, could Sony change that if they wanted to? Could they realistically give legacy games a boost ? Is it possible at all? And if it is, is it feasible from a money/time view?"

My inference of what Rollins meant to ask:
"My question is, could Sony change [their current plan to have compat mode run at exactly the same frequency as PS4] if they wanted to? Could they [Sony] realistically give legacy games a boost [without dev intervention/patching]? Is it possible at all [to give legacy games a boost without cracking the source, updating SDK, making changes, testing, re-submitting, and re-releasing an update]? And if it is, is it feasible from a money/time view?"

Now, if THAT is the question Rollins is asking, then your answer is nonsensical and irrelevant, VaLL. But if that's NOT what he's asking, then my responses have been nonsensical and irrelevant. :-)

But if that is the question he's asking, the answers are:

"My question is, could Sony change [their current plan to have compat mode run at exactly the same frequency as PS4] if they wanted to?

Yes, they could, but it introduces significant risk to do so. See my earlier post in this thread.

Could they [Sony] realistically give legacy games a boost [without dev intervention/patching]?

No more than what Xbox S has done (if that), and even that is, again, very risky, ill-advised, and wouldn't have any impact (no perf bonus) with some or most titles. Probably won't happen.

Is it possible at all [to give legacy games a boost without cracking the source, updating SDK, making changes, testing, re-submitting, and re-releasing an update]?

Yes, they could, but it introduces significant risk to do so. See my earlier post in this thread.

And if it is, is it feasible from a money/time view?"

It's an SDK update/OS change Sony would have to do. So it's possible, but probably not worth the risk.

...but 100% of those "yes's with caveats" have NOTHING to do with Game developers or publishers, and 100 to do with Sony's platform devs/policy.
 
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The truth is nuanced and facetted... and contrary to what the internet will tell you, more often than not, a meme, animated gif, or one liner isn't enough to get it across.
 
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The truth is nuanced and facetted... and contrary to what the internet will tell you, more often than not, a meme, animated gif, or one liner isn't enough to get it across.

Now you are just being silly.

A gif is worth a thousand words.

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I doubt most developers would patch a game to be 'HD' when they could re-release it as a hd-version and make an extra $50.

One of the best cross-gen upgrades we've had came from Blizzard with Diablo 3, and that was still $10, if you owned the last gen version.

Offering cross-gen compat is one thing, but expecting an upgrade for free? Doubt it.

MS offer BC for free for developers, don't they? If they charged, I doubt thered be so many games.
 
File under "rumor" for now.

PS4 Neo Sketch Shared by Foxconn Worker: Reportedly Thicker & Heavier Than Basic PS4

A Foxconn worker shared a sketch of the upcoming console PS4 Neo a few hours ago on Chinese forums A9VG. For those not familiar with it, Foxconn is the world’s largest contract electronics manufacturer; it’s responsible for manufacturing devices like Sony’s PlayStation 3 & 4, Nintendo’s WiiU, Microsoft’s Xbox One, Apple’s iPad/iPhone/iPod and even Amazon’s Kindle.

ps4neo_sketch-635x848.jpg



After this leak, a couple of Neogaf users decided to create detailed mock-ups based on this sketch.

ps4neo_sketch_2-635x403.jpg




ps4neo_3d_1-635x365.jpg


http://wccftech.com/ps4-neo-sketch-shared-by-foxconn-worker-reportedly-thicker-heavier-than-basic-ps4/
 
Again, classify as rumor.

"UPDATE: The Foxconn employee responsible for the sketches has said that the price will be 3000 Chinese yuan which converts into $450 and is slightly above the launch price of the OG PS4."

Also:

1: button is located below the middle layer rather than above, its reading off key and key buttons is a cross-linked together.
2: breathing lights moved to the position below the middle layer, and the key merger.
3: USB interface has only two, in the lowermost layer.
4: its reading in the middle of the first layer and the second layer.
5: Rear power socket and a conventional power socket PS4 is completely different (to several times).
6: White
7: weighing 4.5 kg. – this is heavier than the 2013 Xbox One which weighed around 3.2kg

http://thisgengaming.com/2016/08/29...-is-mostly-correct-price-might-be-around-450/
 
White? Hope not. I like black.
 
File under "rumor" for now.

PS4 Neo Sketch Shared by Foxconn Worker: Reportedly Thicker & Heavier Than Basic PS4

A Foxconn worker shared a sketch of the upcoming console PS4 Neo a few hours ago on Chinese forums A9VG. For those not familiar with it, Foxconn is the world’s largest contract electronics manufacturer; it’s responsible for manufacturing devices like Sony’s PlayStation 3 & 4, Nintendo’s WiiU, Microsoft’s Xbox One, Apple’s iPad/iPhone/iPod and even Amazon’s Kindle.

ps4neo_sketch-635x848.jpg



After this leak, a couple of Neogaf users decided to create detailed mock-ups based on this sketch.

ps4neo_sketch_2-635x403.jpg




ps4neo_3d_1-635x365.jpg


http://wccftech.com/ps4-neo-sketch-shared-by-foxconn-worker-reportedly-thicker-heavier-than-basic-ps4/

Ugly.
Sony into designing the worlds ugliest console?
The front looks like the front grill of a pick up truck.

I hope it looks better than that.
 
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File under "rumor" for now.

PS4 Neo Sketch Shared by Foxconn Worker: Reportedly Thicker & Heavier Than Basic PS4

A Foxconn worker shared a sketch of the upcoming console PS4 Neo a few hours ago on Chinese forums A9VG. For those not familiar with it, Foxconn is the world’s largest contract electronics manufacturer; it’s responsible for manufacturing devices like Sony’s PlayStation 3 & 4, Nintendo’s WiiU, Microsoft’s Xbox One, Apple’s iPad/iPhone/iPod and even Amazon’s Kindle.

ps4neo_sketch-635x848.jpg



After this leak, a couple of Neogaf users decided to create detailed mock-ups based on this sketch.

ps4neo_sketch_2-635x403.jpg




ps4neo_3d_1-635x365.jpg


http://wccftech.com/ps4-neo-sketch-shared-by-foxconn-worker-reportedly-thicker-heavier-than-basic-ps4/
A team of world leading designers came up with THAT!?

Some people defend the PS4 slim(they're obviously unstable or suffering a temporary lapse in judgement), and that is one thing, but the PS4 looked freaking kewl. Like, Blade Runner cool.

This looks like a fat sister-in-law's interpretation of what cool would be to a teenager who is taking a break from writing Twilight fanfic.
 
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File under "rumor" for now.

PS4 Neo Sketch Shared by Foxconn Worker: Reportedly Thicker & Heavier Than Basic PS4

A Foxconn worker shared a sketch of the upcoming console PS4 Neo a few hours ago on Chinese forums A9VG. For those not familiar with it, Foxconn is the world’s largest contract electronics manufacturer; it’s responsible for manufacturing devices like Sony’s PlayStation 3 & 4, Nintendo’s WiiU, Microsoft’s Xbox One, Apple’s iPad/iPhone/iPod and even Amazon’s Kindle.

ps4neo_sketch-635x848.jpg



After this leak, a couple of Neogaf users decided to create detailed mock-ups based on this sketch.

ps4neo_sketch_2-635x403.jpg




ps4neo_3d_1-635x365.jpg


http://wccftech.com/ps4-neo-sketch-shared-by-foxconn-worker-reportedly-thicker-heavier-than-basic-ps4/

Looks like a high end piece of equipment.
 
Again, classify as rumor.

"UPDATE: The Foxconn employee responsible for the sketches has said that the price will be 3000 Chinese yuan which converts into $450 and is slightly above the launch price of the OG PS4."

Also:

1: button is located below the middle layer rather than above, its reading off key and key buttons is a cross-linked together.
2: breathing lights moved to the position below the middle layer, and the key merger.
3: USB interface has only two, in the lowermost layer.
4: its reading in the middle of the first layer and the second layer.
5: Rear power socket and a conventional power socket PS4 is completely different (to several times).
6: White
7: weighing 4.5 kg. – this is heavier than the 2013 Xbox One which weighed around 3.2kg

http://thisgengaming.com/2016/08/29...-is-mostly-correct-price-might-be-around-450/

That design is ugly as hell, but makes a bit of sense. If you put it next to the new slim design, it is one pancake higher. This of course communicates that it is higher tier.... You could have a double stack or a triple stack! damn, I'm hungry....

I will say that I like it much better with the little air dam on the front as opposed to the rendered mockup that has the slim's rounded edges.
 
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Wow. Biased or not, I'm sorry - that's not just ugly, it's fugly. It does NOT look like a high-end piece of consumer equipment, it looks like it was inspired by 80's Robocop ED209, someone's stack of pancakes, and someone who didn't drink their V8 in the morning (the slant?).

Really awful looking.
 
Waaay too ugly and un-original to be a fake... I'll bet that nasty looking thing is real.
 
Looks like a high end piece of equipment.
Compared to what?

Do you honestly believe it looks more high end than the base PS4 model?

No jabs at you, but the vast general consensus is that it's fug.

My style could be questioned too, I like the white consoles. My apartment is industrial, so matte black doesn't work for me.
 
So my 2 cents on all of this console rabble...

I think Eurogamer got it spot on with suggesting that the GPU inside the Scorpio is infact AMD's upcoming VEGA line. Vega makes sense and it fits with the launch date for the console which is over a year and a half away. Moreover, MS got accused of really under gunning the Xbone spec wise AND it can't afford to half ass the twin gaming sea changes that 4K and especially VR mean.

Remember folks- this is first and foremost an attempt to retake the console market momentum they've lost and those sea changes I mentioned are their opportunity. They also have a distinct advantage over Sony, and that's money. Sony isn't broke by any means but it simply can't match the capital that MS can bring to the table if MS is serious about this market space - and it appears to be. Sony hasn't done anywhere near as well as MS has financially.

Finally, MS doesn't have the albatross around their neck that was Don Mattrick at the helm of the Xbox division. He may be a great guy and fun at a BBQ but he clearly wasn't the right person for the job of leading Xbox.

#myopinionokImdone
 
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Compared to what?

Do you honestly believe it looks more high end than the base PS4 model?

No jabs at you, but the vast general consensus is that it's fug.

My style could be questioned too, I like the white consoles. My apartment is industrial, so matte black doesn't work for me.
What vast general consensus is this?

It looks like a high end device.
Probably the most high end looking console since the PS3 fat.
 
So my 2 cents on all of this console rabble...

I think Eurogamer got it spot on with suggesting that the GPU inside the Scorpio is infact AMD's upcoming VEGA line. Vega makes sense and it fits with the launch date for the console which is over a year and a half away. Moreover, MS got accused of really under gunning the Xbone spec wise AND it can't afford to half ass the twin gaming sea changes that 4K and especially VR mean.

Remember folks- this is first and foremost an attempt to retake the console market momentum they've lost and those sea changes I mentioned are their opportunity. They also have a distinct advantage over Sony, and that's money. Sony isn't broke by any means but it simply can't match the capital that MS can bring to the table if MS is serious about this market space - and it appears to be. Sony hasn't done anywhere near as well as MS has financially.

Finally, MS doesn't have the albatross around their neck that was Don Mattrick at the helm of the Xbox division. He may be a great guy and fun at a BBQ but he clearly wasn't the right person for the job of leading Xbox.

#myopinionokImdone

I'd argue Sony's "albatross" is actually the Success of the PS4. It's easier to justify a shorter life span when the 'box is weaker and selling substantially less than it's competition. It's gotta be harder to deal with a new upgrade when your machine is selling gangbusters and has a growing install base. Very interesting cycle, imo.
 
File under "rumor" for now.

PS4 Neo Sketch Shared by Foxconn Worker: Reportedly Thicker & Heavier Than Basic PS4

A Foxconn worker shared a sketch of the upcoming console PS4 Neo a few hours ago on Chinese forums A9VG. For those not familiar with it, Foxconn is the world’s largest contract electronics manufacturer; it’s responsible for manufacturing devices like Sony’s PlayStation 3 & 4, Nintendo’s WiiU, Microsoft’s Xbox One, Apple’s iPad/iPhone/iPod and even Amazon’s Kindle.

ps4neo_sketch-635x848.jpg



After this leak, a couple of Neogaf users decided to create detailed mock-ups based on this sketch.

ps4neo_sketch_2-635x403.jpg




ps4neo_3d_1-635x365.jpg


http://wccftech.com/ps4-neo-sketch-shared-by-foxconn-worker-reportedly-thicker-heavier-than-basic-ps4/

So we went from a grill with the PS3 to burnt toast with the PS4 slim to pancakes with the PS4 Neo. Who wants to bet the PS5 looks like a toaster oven? Sony really should consider hiring Apple or someone to design their consoles because they're just getting worse and worse. Even the Xbox One S had more of an Apple look, all the way down to the packaging. Microsoft knows what's going on. I thought previous Xbox models looked good overall, it's just that they were always so bulky.
 
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