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But I keep hearing GP promotes more game sales
Which is the opposite of what I keep seeing here. Many say that since a game is on GP that's why they are not buying it.
In the case of that descenders game it could well of we don't get many articles around it.
Only in Europe and Japan though :’(
I got the physical one for switch though
at Best Buy
Only in Europe and Japan though :’(
I got the physical one for switch though
US too
Lol had my finger over that part that’s what she saidUS too
Maybe for lesser known games it would have an increased beneficial effect. But for more advertised or popular games I don't see how it would increase sales as people are already going to be buying them if not subscribed to GP or they will not even buy the game and just play it for "free" as part of the catalog if subscribed.
It only counts when I say it counts?
But the dog petting....
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‘Outriders’ Dev Doesn’t Know Sales, Hasn’t Been Paid Royalties By Square Enix
The long term future of Outriders may be in doubt as the reality on the ground may not be as rosy as Square Enix had indicated near launch.
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The long term future of Outriders may be in doubt as the reality on the ground is not as rosy as Square Enix had indicated near launch. When Outriders was released a few months ago, Square Enix said they were happy with initial sales and its playerbase size. But as time has gone on, People Can Fly is now speaking up about the rather bizarre situation currently going on with the game.
In a message on their investor website (via IGN), People Can Fly has said they don’t actually know how many copies Outriders has sold. They are guessing around 2-3 million, but they have not gotten any actual figures from Square Enix itself.
The other problem? The game does not appear to be profitable yet. The reason they’re talking about this with investors at all is because this month they were supposed to earn royalties on the game, paid by Square Enix. But…they didn’t, indicating the game had not yet recouped its development, QA and marketing costs, so People Can Fly has earned no royalties from it.
There is an undercurrent of frustration in the statement from People Can Fly, as they talk about how they’re planning to do more projects outside of deals with larger publishers so they can have more control over things like marketing or owning the IP. They indicated that their own sales estimates make it seem like the game should be profitable, but that factors out of their control, like perhaps Square Enix’s marketing budget, have caused that not to be the case.
Past that, there’s also the decision to launch the game on Xbox Game Pass, which yes, expands a game’s playerbase dramatically, but also is not selling copies of the game. Outriders is a game without any DLC or microtransactions, so there’s really no logical reason at all for players to purchase the game or spend money on it given that it’s on Game Pass.
I don’t think People Can Fly is wholly blameless here. Outriders did appear to have the wind at its back, launching with over 120,000 players on Steam, quadruple what a comparable game like Marvel’s Avengers did at launch. But the game was quickly “Cyberpunked” by some pretty nasty glitches, including poor performance on platforms, and what might have been its death sentence, a bug that deleted players’ entire inventories that was not rectified for a month, and either caused players to quit or scared them away.
There is no indication what the future of Outriders may hold. Square Enix’s initial excitement seemed to indicate that the game could get a large expansion or sequel, but if it’s not profitable yet, perhaps that’s not in the cards after all, and this will be another title in the looter graveyard, even though I still maintain it’s more fun and better designed than other games that have failed in the genre.
Game development, it’s a tough business. We’ll see if Outriders survives it in the long run.
Maybe in the future when good games start coming out again, but right now there isn't any reason whatsoever. The only game I'd even care to play is FH5, but I'm not really enjoying FH4 at all after years of wanting to play it.
But I keep hearing GP promotes more game sales
Which is the opposite of what I keep seeing here. Many say that since a game is on GP that's why they are not buying it.
So much of this thread ends up being making laugh on the other consoles for having their users pay an even number of times for a game.
‘Outriders’ Dev Doesn’t Know Sales, Hasn’t Been Paid Royalties By Square Enix
The long term future of Outriders may be in doubt as the reality on the ground may not be as rosy as Square Enix had indicated near launch.
The long term future of Outriders may be in doubt as the reality on the ground is not as rosy as Square Enix had indicated near launch. When Outriders was released a few months ago, Square Enix said they were happy with initial sales and its playerbase size. But as time has gone on, People Can Fly is now speaking up about the rather bizarre situation currently going on with the game.
In a message on their investor website (via IGN), People Can Fly has said they don’t actually know how many copies Outriders has sold. They are guessing around 2-3 million, but they have not gotten any actual figures from Square Enix itself.
The other problem? The game does not appear to be profitable yet. The reason they’re talking about this with investors at all is because this month they were supposed to earn royalties on the game, paid by Square Enix. But…they didn’t, indicating the game had not yet recouped its development, QA and marketing costs, so People Can Fly has earned no royalties from it.
There is an undercurrent of frustration in the statement from People Can Fly, as they talk about how they’re planning to do more projects outside of deals with larger publishers so they can have more control over things like marketing or owning the IP. They indicated that their own sales estimates make it seem like the game should be profitable, but that factors out of their control, like perhaps Square Enix’s marketing budget, have caused that not to be the case.
Past that, there’s also the decision to launch the game on Xbox Game Pass, which yes, expands a game’s playerbase dramatically, but also is not selling copies of the game. Outriders is a game without any DLC or microtransactions, so there’s really no logical reason at all for players to purchase the game or spend money on it given that it’s on Game Pass.
I don’t think People Can Fly is wholly blameless here. Outriders did appear to have the wind at its back, launching with over 120,000 players on Steam, quadruple what a comparable game like Marvel’s Avengers did at launch. But the game was quickly “Cyberpunked” by some pretty nasty glitches, including poor performance on platforms, and what might have been its death sentence, a bug that deleted players’ entire inventories that was not rectified for a month, and either caused players to quit or scared them away.
There is no indication what the future of Outriders may hold. Square Enix’s initial excitement seemed to indicate that the game could get a large expansion or sequel, but if it’s not profitable yet, perhaps that’s not in the cards after all, and this will be another title in the looter graveyard, even though I still maintain it’s more fun and better designed than other games that have failed in the genre.
Game development, it’s a tough business. We’ll see if Outriders survives it in the long run.
Sounds like SE are being utter dicks and hiding sales numbers. Even so they wouldn't get the money right away but hopefully it ends well especially as they have already signed on to make another game with them.
Yeah I don't know why they are not revealing sales numbers. Maybe it didn't do as well as they initially thought. If the game isn't profitable yet because of sales then that may factor into whether they decide to make a sequel or not for the franchise. Wonder how much MS paid for it to be on GP and if sales would have been better if it wasn't on it.
Roblox revenues up 127% to $454.1m but losses widen
Company reports net loss increased 95% to $140.1 million in its second quarter
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In both a note to investors and a financial filing, the Polish developer reports that it has yet to receive a royalty payment from the game's publisher Square Enix. Royalties were only to be paid after all costs covered by the publisher had been recouped.
According to the publishing agreement, any royalties generated by Outriders' profits were to be paid to People Can Fly within 45 days of the end of the calendar quarter in which it was released.
Outriders launched on April 1, meaning that payment should have been made by yesterday (Monday, August 16) at the latest. But People Can Fly reports no such payment has been transferred into its accounts.
"This probably means that, according to Square Enix, the game Outriders did not break even after the first quarter of sales," the studio wrote in a note to investors, as translated by Google.
Sebastian Wojciechowski, president of People Can Fly's management board, estimates Outriders has sold between two million and three million units, but the studio "assumed that this was a result that would ensure profitability."
He suggests that this may be due to costs around distribution platforms, "entities offering Outriders as an addition to their platform," or other expenditure for Square Enix that People Can Fly is unaware of. He adds that he "[doesn't] want to speculate" and that the studio will analyse the situation further.
"Despite this disappointing information, we believe that [People Can Fly] will receive the first royalties from the sale of Outriders this year."
It's an odd revelation, given that Square Enix has publicly celebrated the launch of Outriders, revealing that it reached 3.5 million players in the first month.
This does not equate to direct sales as the title was also included in Xbox Game Pass from launch, which the publisher said has helped raise player numbers above expectations.
People Can Fly suggests Outriders hasn't made a profit
People Can Fly has revealed that its new multiplayer shooter Outriders failed to break even in its opening quarter.In b…
In both a note to investors and a financial filing, the Polish developer reports that it has yet to receive a royalty payment from the game's publisher Square Enix. Royalties were only to be paid after all costs covered by the publisher had been recouped.
According to the publishing agreement, any royalties generated by Outriders' profits were to be paid to People Can Fly within 45 days of the end of the calendar quarter in which it was released.
Outriders launched on April 1, meaning that payment should have been made by yesterday (Monday, August 16) at the latest. But People Can Fly reports no such payment has been transferred into its accounts.
"This probably means that, according to Square Enix, the game Outriders did not break even after the first quarter of sales," the studio wrote in a note to investors, as translated by Google.
Sebastian Wojciechowski, president of People Can Fly's management board, estimates Outriders has sold between two million and three million units, but the studio "assumed that this was a result that would ensure profitability."
He suggests that this may be due to costs around distribution platforms, "entities offering Outriders as an addition to their platform," or other expenditure for Square Enix that People Can Fly is unaware of. He adds that he "[doesn't] want to speculate" and that the studio will analyse the situation further.
"Despite this disappointing information, we believe that [People Can Fly] will receive the first royalties from the sale of Outriders this year."
It's an odd revelation, given that Square Enix has publicly celebrated the launch of Outriders, revealing that it reached 3.5 million players in the first month.
This does not equate to direct sales as the title was also included in Xbox Game Pass from launch, which the publisher said has helped raise player numbers above expectations.
SE is rubbish, didn't they say tomb raider or hitman was unsuccessful even though it sold just under 10 million? Outriders was such a missed opportunity they really messed it up, I don't think it was going to have legs regardless.
Yeah they shat on those games plus sleeping dogs because they wanted something ridiculous like 5m in a month
Dispute its problems, outraiders is one of the better original game this year.More info
People Can Fly suggests Outriders hasn't made a profit
People Can Fly has revealed that its new multiplayer shooter Outriders failed to break even in its opening quarter.In b…
In both a note to investors and a financial filing, the Polish developer reports that it has yet to receive a royalty payment from the game's publisher Square Enix. Royalties were only to be paid after all costs covered by the publisher had been recouped.
According to the publishing agreement, any royalties generated by Outriders' profits were to be paid to People Can Fly within 45 days of the end of the calendar quarter in which it was released.
Outriders launched on April 1, meaning that payment should have been made by yesterday (Monday, August 16) at the latest. But People Can Fly reports no such payment has been transferred into its accounts.
"This probably means that, according to Square Enix, the game Outriders did not break even after the first quarter of sales," the studio wrote in a note to investors, as translated by Google.
Sebastian Wojciechowski, president of People Can Fly's management board, estimates Outriders has sold between two million and three million units, but the studio "assumed that this was a result that would ensure profitability."
He suggests that this may be due to costs around distribution platforms, "entities offering Outriders as an addition to their platform," or other expenditure for Square Enix that People Can Fly is unaware of. He adds that he "[doesn't] want to speculate" and that the studio will analyse the situation further.
"Despite this disappointing information, we believe that [People Can Fly] will receive the first royalties from the sale of Outriders this year."
It's an odd revelation, given that Square Enix has publicly celebrated the launch of Outriders, revealing that it reached 3.5 million players in the first month.
This does not equate to direct sales as the title was also included in Xbox Game Pass from launch, which the publisher said has helped raise player numbers above expectations.
The end game can be improve but I have a lot of fun before the game get stale, so did many here.
I hope it’s just a time to transfer issue. International transfer large sums could take some time, from my own experience.
In total, 146,000 consoles were sold in the four weeks ending July 31st, which is a drop of 21% over the previous four-week period (GfK data). PS5 sold roughly the same number of units as it did the month before and was the best-selling console of July. Nintendo Switch had a slightly weaker month, while stock shortages meant that Xbox Series X/S suffered a bigger drop and remains in third place. Overall, hardware sales for the first seven months of 2021 are 32% up over the year before.
In terms of accessories, 578,974 controllers, gaming headsets, cases and other peripherals were sold during July, which is down 21% over the month before and 18.6% compared with July last year (GfK data).
The best-selling accessories are one again the DualSense Wireless Controller White and Black (No.1 and No.2 respectively). The closest challenger is the new Skyward Sword special edition Joy-Cons for Nintendo Switch, which debuts at No.3 in the charts.
In terms of software, 2.09 million digital and physical games were sold in the UK during July (GSD data, see below for participating publishers). That is a drop of 17.2% year-on-year. 770,000 physical games were sold (down 16.4%), and 1.32 million digital games were downloaded (down 17.6%). Digital games data comes direct from most major publishers, although Nintendo is a notable absentee.
There were two big games released in July -- F1 2021 by EA/Codemasters, and The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword HD from Nintendo. Zelda was the best-selling boxed retail game, while F1 2021 was the best-seller with digital and physical combined (Zelda's digital sales are not counted in these charts). However, neither game could offset the success enjoyed by PS4 exclusive Ghost of Tsushima, which was released in July 2020 to impressive sales.
Overall, it was a strong month for EA, which had the top two best-selling games (F1 2021 and FIFA 21). EA was the biggest publisher of July, followed by Nintendo (Zelda) and Sega (Olympics).
The biggest console for software sales remains PS4 (35% market share), followed by Nintendo Switch (21.5%).
Outriders’ developer says it hasn’t earned any profits, despite Game Pass deal | VGC
Shooter "probably" hasn't broke even, says People Can Fly, even after 3.5 million players at launch…
www.videogameschronicle.com
Because more than a calendar quarter, plus 45 days, have now passed since Outriders’ release without any payment, “this probably means that, in Square Enix’s opinion, the Outriders game has not exceeded the break-even point,” the developer said.
CEO Sebastian Wojciechowski said in a statement: “We do not have any sales figures for Outriders – we estimate sales to be between 2 and 3 million copies and we assumed that this result would make the project profitable already in the first quarter of sales.
“The lack of payment from the publisher probably means that in Square Enix’s opinion this is not the case after all.”
The CEO went on to speculate that the reason for the lack of royalty payments could be due to elements of Square Enix’s sales agreements, and appeared to point to its day one deal for Xbox Game Pass as one possible explanation.
Outriders’ developer says it hasn’t earned any profits, despite Game Pass deal | VGC
Shooter "probably" hasn't broke even, says People Can Fly, even after 3.5 million players at launch…
Because more than a calendar quarter, plus 45 days, have now passed since Outriders’ release without any payment, “this probably means that, in Square Enix’s opinion, the Outriders game has not exceeded the break-even point,” the developer said.
CEO Sebastian Wojciechowski said in a statement: “We do not have any sales figures for Outriders – we estimate sales to be between 2 and 3 million copies and we assumed that this result would make the project profitable already in the first quarter of sales.
“The lack of payment from the publisher probably means that in Square Enix’s opinion this is not the case after all.”
The CEO went on to speculate that the reason for the lack of royalty payments could be due to elements of Square Enix’s sales agreements, and appeared to point to its day one deal for Xbox Game Pass as one possible explanation.
Why didn't you highlight the part where square said the GP deal had already been justified and they were happy with sales and player base? You just love to crap on GP any chance you get
Why didn't you highlight the part where square said the GP deal had already been justified and they were happy with sales and player base? You just love to crap on GP any chance you get
Because it doesn't explain why it sounds like SE didn't break even on the title. Yes, SE was initially happy with digital sales ratios and player install base numbers, that's true but then royalties should have been paid by now if everything was going dandy. Maybe there was a huge drop off after the first month of it being on GP when people got bored or finished it. Is the game still on GP right now? We also don't know how much MS paid for it to be on GP but even the CEO of People Can Fly alluded to the potential of the game being on GP as affecting the sales negatively. I mean he can't get more clearer than that without just saying it directly. He doesn't want to get on MS's bad side either. So there's that.
If that's the case then the devs should have renegotiated the deal when SE said it was going on GP seeing as they got paid.
But it's all guess work right now. Again SE would not have said we will pay you right away.
But it's all guess work right now. Again SE would not have said we will pay you right away.
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