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[hrudey]

For Halo to be Halo everything has to be a home run. PlayStation has never delivered on a first party package that Halo strives to be. It’s huge shoes to fill that even 343 struggles to achieve but the ambition is there. Meanwhile Sony does a AAA fire and forget campaign and that’s considered a gold standard.

On the one hand, yes, Sony's games are really excellent 20-45 hours of gameplay that you play once, maybe twice, and then you're done with, while there are people who sink thousands of hours into Halo. One's primarily a cinematic showcase with gameplay, tuned to highlight that cinematic quality and the other is tuned primarily for multiplayer gameplay. Halo's not the game that people should compare to Horizon; even if 343 somehow managed to become 95% as talented, they're targeting a different framerate, and a different experience and they need to nail that 60fps/120fps gameplay and have it look good (spoiler: they didn't as of the last time).

Where MS would need to be able to compare with HZD in that cinematic area are games like Avowed or Hellblade or the Fable remake, etc. I think they could theoretically come close with Hellblade, but that's probably two years away. I don't know that any of them will pull that off, though. (edit: I'd probably bet against it, in fact)

OF course, I'll probably play them all (scratch that: I will play those three). If the gameplay is great and it's slightly less pretty than Horizon or whatever else, it won't mean I enjoy it less.

[edit 2: And on the other hand, what's the Sony game that people are going to sink 200+ hours into? Compare Halo to that.]

 

[menace-uk-]

Let's not beat around the bush: both sets of fanboys are just as trashy. Right now though...as in countless times ad nauseum..Sony 1st party studios have made it glaringly obvious where the pools of talent thus far have coalesced.

It is funny watching this, though. I mean we have seen virtually nothing from XGS other than the Halo Infinite reveal, and even that is kind of irrelevant for now thanks to the year delay. But Ponies can do nothing but reference Halo, and Xbots just refuse to accept the obvious...even with the fact that XGS haven't even started this gen yet. It is simply hilarious.

So far, PS5 is obviously on top. Demon Souls and HZD FW just look better than anything I have seen this gen.

 

[Kvally]

I know right. Alloy is the clear victor.

Maybe at a carpet munch brunch as she pulls up in her Subaru Forester in comfortable shoes kinda way. Then yes.

 

[yankeessuck]

On the one hand, yes, Sony's games are really excellent 20-45 hours of gameplay that you play once, maybe twice, and then you're done with, while there are people who sink thousands of hours into Halo. One's primarily a cinematic showcase with gameplay, tuned to highlight that cinematic quality and the other is tuned primarily for multiplayer gameplay. Halo's not the game that people should compare to Horizon; even if 343 somehow managed to become 95% as talented, they're targeting a different framerate, and a different experience and they need to nail that 60fps/120fps gameplay and have it look good (spoiler: they didn't as of the last time).

Where MS would need to be able to compare with HZD in that cinematic area are games like Avowed or Hellblade or the Fable remake, etc. I think they could theoretically come close with Hellblade, but that's probably two years away. I don't know that any of them will pull that off, though. (edit: I'd probably bet against it, in fact)

OF course, I'll probably play them all (scratch that: I will play those three). If the gameplay is great and it's slightly less pretty than Horizon or whatever else, it won't mean I enjoy it less.

[edit 2: And on the other hand, what's the Sony game that people are going to sink 200+ hours into? Compare Halo to that.]

The comparisons between them are stupid but they are happening because they are the next big exclusives to be released and will probably launch within a few months of each other so its inevitable. Still stupid though.

But the whole concept of "but halo has mp and sp" doesn't mean much if one or both ends up not being that good which is what has happened the last two times. Is this the equivalent of getting a participation award?

 

[starseeker]

There is nothing stupid about comparing both games.

comparing visuals in new hardwares has been the norm for ages in consoles

There are however poor arguments IMO , mostly to defend Halo lack of visuals fidelity, like it has MP, or more hours play, or gameplay > graphics, nope of them are factors if a game looks good or not.

Reasonable arguments would be like; lower budget, less manpower, less talent, less time, inferior hardware, poor management.
halo is advantageous in most areas, which left only 2 possibilities, poor management and less talent.
One or both is to blame in my

 

[DriedMangoes]

On the one hand, yes, Sony's games are really excellent 20-45 hours of gameplay that you play once, maybe twice, and then you're done with, while there are people who sink thousands of hours into Halo. One's primarily a cinematic showcase with gameplay, tuned to highlight that cinematic quality and the other is tuned primarily for multiplayer gameplay. Halo's not the game that people should compare to Horizon; even if 343 somehow managed to become 95% as talented, they're targeting a different framerate, and a different experience and they need to nail that 60fps/120fps gameplay and have it look good (spoiler: they didn't as of the last time).

Where MS would need to be able to compare with HZD in that cinematic area are games like Avowed or Hellblade or the Fable remake, etc. I think they could theoretically come close with Hellblade, but that's probably two years away. I don't know that any of them will pull that off, though. (edit: I'd probably bet against it, in fact)

OF course, I'll probably play them all (scratch that: I will play those three). If the gameplay is great and it's slightly less pretty than Horizon or whatever else, it won't mean I enjoy it less.

[edit 2: And on the other hand, what's the Sony game that people are going to sink 200+ hours into? Compare Halo to that.]

Don't think Sony has an exclusive that people spend 200+ hours on.

Most of their critically acclaimed exclusives are known more for their exceptional story campaign, gameplay and visuals. That's their bread and butter.

To be honest, do they even need one with third party games like what Bungie is doing with Destiny? I've easily logged 2000+ hours into that IP before I finally quit a year or two ago. That's still 6 years of dedication playing pretty much the same game. Just don't have that much time to stay above the grind anymore.

 

[The Living Tribunal]

On a side note: I hope everyone understands now why we need a thread like this.

These comparisons are only going to increase and get more impassioned as the generation moves on. If the discussion is healthy and opinions are shared without open hostility. We are all gamers and we deserve the best for the money and time we devote to the medium.

 

[yankeessuck]

There is nothing stupid about comparing both games.

conaoring visuals in new hardware has been the norm for ages in consoles

There are however very bad arguments, mostly to defend Halo lack of visuals fidelity, like it has MP, or more hours play, or gameplay > graphics, nope of them are factors if a game looks good or not.

Reasonable arguments would be like; lower budget, less manpower, less talent, less time, inferior hardware, poor management.
halo is advantageous in most area, which left only 2 possibilities, poor management and less talent.
One or both is to blame in my

Yeah but Halo looking not great is a horse that has long been beaten to death. Obviously Horizon was going to look better.

 

[DriedMangoes]

Yeah but Halo looking not great is a horse that has long been beaten to death. Obviously Horizon was going to look better.

Some Xbox fans just can't accept that fact or refuse to.

I can accept the fact that Halo's MP aspect will probably dwarf Horizon because that's not Horizon's focus. Just like certain people should accept the fact that Horizon will dwarf Halo in the visuals aspect. Halo will never be on the same level graphics wise as Horizon. The SP will probably also be better on Horizon because again that's their focus. Sony's signature. Great visuals and gameplay combined with an amazing single player story experience.

Xbox fans just need to cope with that.

 

[Siglind]

I want to see these xbox fans that say Halo looks better.

 

[menace-uk-]

Some Xbox fans just can't accept that fact or refuse to.

I can accept the fact that Halo's MP aspect will probably dwarf Horizon because that's not Horizon's focus. Just like certain people should accept the fact that Horizon will dwarf Halo in the visuals aspect. Halo will never be on the same level graphics wise as Horizon. The SP will probably also be better on Horizon because again that's their focus. Sony's signature. Great visuals and gameplay combined with an amazing single player story experience.

Xbox fans just need to cope with that.

Sorry, but HZD FW lookinh better than Halo is not a fact. Not yet. There is no reason to go down this silly road.

 

[menace-uk-]

Don't think Sony has an exclusive that people spend 200+ hours on.

Most of their critically acclaimed exclusives are known more for their exceptional story campaign, gameplay and visuals. That's their bread and butter.

To be honest, do they even need one with third party games like what Bungie is doing with Destiny? I've easily logged 2000+ hours into that IP before I finally quit a year or two ago. That's still 6 years of dedication playing pretty much the same game. Just don't have that much time to stay above the grind anymore.

Gran Turismo

 

[DriedMangoes]

Sorry, but HZD FW lookinh better than Halo is not a fact. Not yet. There is no reason to go down this silly road.

From what we have seen so far, HFW looks leaps ahead.

If GG can improve and iron kinks out when it releases like the first one, there won't be a competition. And there shouldn't be because two different games.

We wouldn't even be comparing the two until Xbox fans brought up Halo because of their insecurity.

 

[lowdru2k]

I’m a bit confused on who said that Halo was even going to be a great looking game/best looking game on the market?

Going back to the early Halo’s I always found military FPS to be the better looking FPS games over Halo. What made earlier Halo’s great was the gameplay, vehicles, sci fi story, co-op, and MP (4 player and lan in CE and then online MP in H2 and H3).

This new Halo it’s obvious from the reveal that this dev are not graphics wizards and hopefully a year delay helps with graphics and performance.

I hope the new Fable becomes a game that pushes XB graphics. Can’t wait to see something on that game.

 

[DriedMangoes]

I’m a bit confused on who said that Halo was even going to be a great looking game/best looking game on the market?

Going back to the early Halo’s I always found military FPS to be the better looking FPS games over Halo. What made earlier Halo’s great was the gameplay, vehicles, sci fi story, co-op, and MP (4 player and lan in CE and then online MP in H2 and H3).

This new Halo it’s obvious from the reveal that this dev are not graphics wizards and hopefully a year delay helps with graphics and performance.

I hope the new Fable becomes a game that pushes XB graphics. Can’t wait to see something on that game.

Noone said Halo would lead the industry in the visuals department but when you have Xbox fans downplaying how Horizon looks and then posting how Halo looks beautiful, definitely raises an eyebrow.

Give credit where credit's due.

 

[JinCA]

For Halo to be Halo everything has to be a home run. PlayStation has never delivered on a first party package that Halo strives to be. It’s huge shoes to fill that even 343 struggles to achieve but the ambition is there. Meanwhile Sony does a AAA fire and forget campaign and that’s considered a gold standard.

That's not even close to true but if you feel that way nobody is going to change your mind I'm sure.

 

[JinCA]

Sorry, but HZD FW lookinh better than Halo is not a fact. Not yet. There is no reason to go down this silly road.

A one year delay isn't going to suddenly change everything for Halo, there will be some improvements but they already had 5 years to get where they were last year. They didn't start over from scratch and they didn't move the game over to a new engine they are still using the slow hard to program for engine they had been using they just got more time. How many games have you seen get a 1 year delay and come out looking twice as good as they did before? it never happens. I'm sure they'll bump up the lighting a bit and hopefully that awful pop up will be improved but the game is targeting 60fps and 343 to date hasn't shown the same level of talent when it comes to visuals that GG has.

 

[Pureshooter]

There is nothing stupid about comparing both games.

comparing visuals in new hardwares has been the norm for ages in consoles

There are however poor arguments IMO , mostly to defend Halo lack of visuals fidelity, like it has MP, or more hours play, or gameplay > graphics, nope of them are factors if a game looks good or not.

Reasonable arguments would be like; lower budget, less manpower, less talent, less time, inferior hardware, poor management.
halo is advantageous in most areas, which left only 2 possibilities, poor management and less talent.
One or both is to blame in my

It’s premature at best considering both are months from release.

 

[starseeker]

It’s premature at best considering both are months from release.

No one is comparing the final game. We can however compare what we have seen so far. For all we know, Halo at E3 can blow us away like the Spice girls.

If we cannot make a comparison until the end, then sports news that rate & compare teams will not be irrelevance until the champion is crowned.

People like to compare, talk about competing stuff, Liverpool vs Chelsea, Munich vs BvB. Warrior vs Lakers etc. Its human nature (not everyone obviously) & most people know just because a team performs well early doesn't mean they will end up the champion, just like a team that performs badly at start can still end up winning. Just like game, I think most people know that. There is no need to clarify basic rationality.

I see no issue with comparison as long as no personal attack & insult. People who don't like comparison can choose not to participate.
There are many threads /subforums in this forum that I choose to avoid discussion for various reasons, It's not hard.

 

[TeKPhaN]

On the one hand, yes, Sony's games are really excellent 20-45 hours of gameplay that you play once, maybe twice, and then you're done with, while there are people who sink thousands of hours into Halo. One's primarily a cinematic showcase with gameplay, tuned to highlight that cinematic quality and the other is tuned primarily for multiplayer gameplay. Halo's not the game that people should compare to Horizon; even if 343 somehow managed to become 95% as talented, they're targeting a different framerate, and a different experience and they need to nail that 60fps/120fps gameplay and have it look good (spoiler: they didn't as of the last time).

Where MS would need to be able to compare with HZD in that cinematic area are games like Avowed or Hellblade or the Fable remake, etc. I think they could theoretically come close with Hellblade, but that's probably two years away. I don't know that any of them will pull that off, though. (edit: I'd probably bet against it, in fact)

OF course, I'll probably play them all (scratch that: I will play those three). If the gameplay is great and it's slightly less pretty than Horizon or whatever else, it won't mean I enjoy it less.

[edit 2: And on the other hand, what's the Sony game that people are going to sink 200+ hours into? Compare Halo to that.]

Demon's Souls

 

[DarkPassenger]

 

[hrudey]

But the whole concept of "but halo has mp and sp" doesn't mean much if one or both ends up not being that good which is what has happened the last two times. Is this the equivalent of getting a participation award?

It's basically a multiplayer game with a short (and as of 4, generally not great) campaign. The multiplayer being free for this is... odd.

 

[hrudey]

Noone said Halo would lead the industry in the visuals department but when you have Xbox fans downplaying how Horizon looks and then posting how Halo looks beautiful, definitely raises an eyebrow.

Give credit where credit's due.

Who are those people? I don't think anyone active here is on my ignore list so... ?

 

[TeKPhaN]

It’s premature at best considering both are months from release.

You can only polish a turd so much.
If they had more time or scrapped what was shown and started over(losing xbo support would help)

What is likely is they throw better details on top of what's been shown and going by the constant update pics they keep posting...that's exactly what is happening.

I don't think they should be showing anything until E3 and I guarantee xbotz will praise it's visuals regardless.

 

[menace-uk-]

A one year delay isn't going to suddenly change everything for Halo, there will be some improvements but they already had 5 years to get where they were last year. They didn't start over from scratch and they didn't move the game over to a new engine they are still using the slow hard to program for engine they had been using they just got more time. How many games have you seen get a 1 year delay and come out looking twice as good as they did before? it never happens. I'm sure they'll bump up the lighting a bit and hopefully that awful pop up will be improved but the game is targeting 60fps and 343 to date hasn't shown the same level of talent when it comes to visuals that GG has.

Makes no difference. Halo has not released. We have not seen any gameplay since the delay. Those are facts. You have nothing to compare to, so, stop.

 

[Swede]

There is a clear generational gap between Horizon & last year's Halo revealed video. When the games switch, the contrast is stark!

The details & lighting in Halo look flat like a pancake, while details are well... detailed in Horizon & lighting is rich. I am not sure if there is RT, but man, does it look good.

We shall see again how new footage(s) of halo look & compare.

 

[menace-uk-]

From what we have seen so far, HFW looks leaps ahead.

If GG can improve and iron kinks out when it releases like the first one, there won't be a competition. And there shouldn't be because two different games.

We wouldn't even be comparing the two until Xbox fans brought up Halo because of their insecurity.

What you have seen is irrelevant. So just stop.

 

[Swede]

Also, comparing an okay semi open world game series with outstanding graphics with Halo... f*** off lol

 

[yankeessuck]

It's basically a multiplayer game with a short (and as of 4, generally not great) campaign. The multiplayer being free for this is... odd.

That is definitely what it has become and that is unfortunate. Bungie being able to deliver on both ends made it the best franchise around for me.

 

[menace-uk-]

Also, comparing an okay semi open world game series with outstanding graphics with Halo... f*** off lol

Yeah. Halo isn't worthy of being compared to HZD.