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I believe that. I think MS will be announcing games far out because their studios are so new, and people want to hear about games from MS. This summer is the make it or break it for MS for some gamers on the fence.

They can’t be slated for it, Sony been showing games 3 years out at E3 for a long time. Nothing wrong with that but hope gamers don’t crucify MS for doing the same.
 
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If the dev wants it to be next gen only, they can do so. I think at least two of the games from the laughably titled gameplay reveal of the xsx aren't going to be playable on the x1. MS first party, so far, are supposedly supporting the X1 still, but honestly the CPU and HDD make that a barely tenable prospect long-term.

Well, Microsoft did say 2 years, so I'm sure it won't be for a longer term. I also believe load times for the PS5 will give you the option to bypass them (pressing a button) during those brief, waiting scenes in third party games. I believe this is where the SSD will be used but won't be clearly taken advantage of. Now first and second party is an entirety new ball game. You're going to see a lot of magic happen here.
 
With many recent triple a titles being around a hundred gigs could the PS5 hold around six games whilst the XSX around eight?

The PS5 will also have the option to swap out SSD cards as well as upgrade to larger ones. Sony also mentioned that you could download portions of the game that you only want to play - such as online and offline or both to conserve space. So, i imagine that depends on the type of gamer you are at that moment.
 
They can’t be slated for it, Sony been showing games 3 years out at E3 for a long time. Nothing wrong with that but hope gamers don’t crucify MS for doing the same.

It was a topic of debate in console war circles but I think in reality people like hearing about far off games. The only reason Microsoft wasn't doing the same as Sony is because they didn't have the games. Now they do.
 
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It was a topic of debate in console war circles but I think in reality people like hearing about far off games. The only reason Microsoft wasn't doing the same as Sony is because they didn't have the games. Now they do.
I think Everwild is one of the 3 years out games.
 


This is what I am expecting, too.

In my opinion, this is a VERY good trade off for them and will have the bigger payout in the end. See, with Sony's SSD in the PS5, they are able to change the design of the world rather than initially focusing on them running as great right now and, in the process, backing themselves into a corner. Unlike the PS3 and every platform before it, Sony simply has to (they likely will) release a Pro version of the PS5 to tackle things like resolution and framerate or anything else on a small scale to keep up with the ever evolving PC, but it'll be harder to do this the other way around, which is what Microsoft is doing right now with the XSX.
 
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This is what I am expecting, too.

In my opinion, this is a VERY good trade off for them and will have the bigger payout in the end. See, with Sony's SSD in the PS5, they are able to change the design of the world rather than initially focusing on them running as great right now and, in the process, backing themselves into a corner. Unlike the PS3 and every platform before it, Sony simply has to (they likely will) release a Pro version of the PS5 to tackle things like resolution and framerate or anything else on a small scale to keep up with the ever evolving PC, but it'll be harder to do this the other way around, which is what Microsoft is doing right now with the XSX.

Agree. It's what I've said previously. Multiplats will perform better on Xbox due to compute. PS5 will load faster. Neither advantage will sway the masses. The real differences will be exploited by 1st party.

I guess I am in the minority. I found HZD boring as heck, and I am not looking forward to a sequel. On the other hand, I was hoping that they would put out a new Killzone, which I love.

I found HZD boring too. Beat it. Had no desire to get the DLC despite how visually interesting it looked. Despite not being a fan of HZD gameplay, I believe it had a good foundation so not crossing the sequel off my list yet.

Anyone else feel MS and Sony will pull a Sony and unveil more games that won’t be released for another three to five years?

I believe some of the games they show won't release until 2024 unless tools lead to a level of efficiency for AAA games we can't yet anticipate. Next gen development efficiency is still a wild card. That said, many games shown won't be in full production so will be a long ways off based on development cycles as we've known in the past.
 
Agree. It's what I've said previously. Multiplats will perform better on Xbox due to compute. PS5 will load faster. Neither advantage will sway the masses. The real differences will be exploited by 1st party.


Also, 2nd party, too. Sony has a few of them. Before the acquisition, that is how they got Spider-Man or Shadow of the Colossus or Until Dawn, etc.. These developers tend to take advantage of the hardware as well.
 
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The PS5 will also have the option to swap out SSD cards as well as upgrade to larger ones. Sony also mentioned that you could download portions of the game that you only want to play - such as online and offline or both to conserve space. So, i imagine that depends on the type of gamer you are at that moment.

Not "SSD cards" - NVME2 SSDs. They look like:
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It'll probably be easier than replacing a normal HD/SSD, but not something you'll just swap in and out (which is the benefit of the XSX expandable storage route, though of course you're then limited to whoever they let make compatible hardware).
 
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Not "SSD cards" - NVME2 SSDs. They look like:
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It'll probably be easier than replacing a normal HD/SSD, but not something you'll just swap in and out (which is the benefit of the XSX expandable storage route, though of course you're then limited to whoever they let make compatible hardware).

Yeah, that's what I meant. And I agree, the XSX is more convenient, but this solution is more scalable in size. And because it's not proprietary, they will likely be cheaper to purchase and fall faster in price.
 
This is what I am expecting, too.

In my opinion, this is a VERY good trade off for them and will have the bigger payout in the end. See, with Sony's SSD in the PS5, they are able to change the design of the world rather than initially focusing on them running as great right now and, in the process, backing themselves into a corner. Unlike the PS3 and every platform before it, Sony simply has to (they likely will) release a Pro version of the PS5 to tackle things like resolution and framerate or anything else on a small scale to keep up with the ever evolving PC, but it'll be harder to do this the other way around, which is what Microsoft is doing right now with the XSX.

On the other hand, it's hard to make a case where you design a game that requires more than 2.5 GB/second sustained from the SSD, and you can't upscale or downscale IOPs the same way you can with resolution or effects. We also don't know what the SSD's actual real-world speed is other than what it can do when it's doing a bulk read, which is of very limited usefulness other than loading / reloading or for area transitions. They'll need to demonstrate something that can only be done at 4.5GB/sec and nothing else will accomplish, and then somehow talk multiplatforms into developing two versions of their games to leverage that difference.
 
Yeah, that's what I meant. And I agree, the XSX is more convenient, but this solution is more scalable in size. And because it's not proprietary, they will likely be cheaper to purchase and fall faster in price.

Depending on how complex the controller in the XSX SSD is, it's likely easier to scale those cartridges for size. But the price per GB of the off-the-shelf parts should obviously be better. The other question is how Sony is going to certify the candidate SSDs, though, especially since they're using a custom built controller for their solution, and if they're building games to take advantage of those features (i.e., 7 priority levels, or six, I forget), how much faster is an SSD going to have to be to overcome that? Or will there be cases where a specific optimization is used in, say, HZD 3 based on that specific SSD architecture that doesn't work on the off-the-shelf replacement SSD someone installed because Sony said it was compatible.
 
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Depending on how complex the controller in the XSX SSD is, it's likely easier to scale those cartridges for size. But the price per GB of the off-the-shelf parts should obviously be better. The other question is how Sony is going to certify the candidate SSDs, though, especially since they're using a custom built controller for their solution, and if they're building games to take advantage of those features (i.e., 7 priority levels, or six, I forget), how much faster is an SSD going to have to be to overcome that? Or will there be cases where a specific optimization is used in, say, HZD 3 based on that specific SSD architecture that doesn't work on the off-the-shelf replacement SSD someone installed because Sony said it was compatible.

There will be a list of these some time after launch.
 
Not "SSD cards" - NVME2 SSDs. They look like:
View attachment 3166

It'll probably be easier than replacing a normal HD/SSD, but not something you'll just swap in and out (which is the benefit of the XSX expandable storage route, though of course you're then limited to whoever they let make compatible hardware).
Sony could also make a custom formfactor and use memory card looking external storage in fact they trademarked it b4 MS showed theirs.
 
So, I’m assuming, the very bottom button is the power? The second one, above it on the disc variant, is eject. Hopefully they’re physics buttons and I won’t have to worry about my dog turning it on and off.

I’m glad they put a usb type c thou
 
Welp, the ball is in Microsoft's court now. While I saw a few must have games in the PS5 reveal, not a whole bunch moved me. Still Sony's presentation of the games IMO was much better than MS and it showed alot of diversity in the type of games eventually available even if I have no interest in them.

I expect Microsoft to respond strongly in July.

I do wish both would stop playing chicken and announce a price and release date.
 
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atm the only game I care about (If I’m lucky, I’m getting both console) that will have my money no matter what is halo infinite.

I’m hoping for a story trailer and maybe gameplay/multiplayer trailer as well but I’m gonna guess and say those will be shown at a latter date/month with info on a beta, hopefully.
 
Does anyone actually think MS will show better games?
Serious question?

THIS is the image MS needs to change.
They need to give people a reason to take them serious.

*raises hand*

Forza and halo in my eyes, but who knows really, they got 15-ish studios now and they’re bound to have some eye catchers (even if some are contractually obligated multiplatform titles).

July’s event will be 1st party titles and said to be around the same length as today’s/yesterday’s showing, probability of more titles being shown when compared to Sony’s showing. Will all of them be bangers, nah, they won’t. But let’s find out which ones will :)
 
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