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Build quality was better with the DS3 though.
Never broke one.
 
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in the latest “series x enhanced “ video there show “standard 30 fps....up to 120fps” but it was animated, in your face and glowing :p I’m too lazy to post it here but I did elsewhere

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I was wrong, it wasn’t glowing, and it’s really “optimized” not enhanced...



I suspected this is where its advantages would lie. Good for them.
 

I would really love to believe that, but isn't that what a lot of his advertising has been surrounding when he refers to it being the most powerful system in the world? He tweeted of this, in fact. :laugh: C'mon Phil! Don't get me wrong, the Series X is a very capable system. No one's denying that, but we can clearly see that by teraflops being echoed throughout the reports, that it somehow makes it a lopsided comparison. The XSX will show it's edge in key areas and so will the PS5, and i think Phil knows this now.
 
I would really love to believe that, but isn't that what a lot of his advertising has been surrounding when he refers to it being the most powerful system in the world? He tweeted of this, in fact. :laugh: C'mon Phil! Don't get me wrong, the Series X is a very capable system. No one's denying that, but we can clearly see that by teraflops being echoed throughout the reports, that it somehow makes it a lopsided comparison. The XSX will show it's edge in key areas and so will the PS5, and i think Phil knows this now.

Everything a video game DOES is affected predominantly by the GPU, CPU and RAM. And XSX is better on all three counts with guaranteed clock speeds, plus it will be better with ray tracing since it has more hardware for that. Sony went overkill on the loading times with their SSD and still nobody who is impressed with the 5GB/sec loads has ever explained how that will change gameplay or design fundamentally other than loading times, unless of course they're going to have 5TB install sizes to have enough assets to stream in unique data constantly. All because they boxed themselves in on making it backwards compatible the only way they know how: in hardware.
 
Everything a video game DOES is affected predominantly by the GPU, CPU and RAM. And XSX is better on all three counts with guaranteed clock speeds, plus it will be better with ray tracing since it has more hardware for that. Sony went overkill on the loading times with their SSD and still nobody who is impressed with the 5GB/sec loads has ever explained how that will change gameplay or design fundamentally other than loading times, unless of course they're going to have 5TB install sizes to have enough assets to stream in unique data constantly. All because they boxed themselves in on making it backwards compatible the only way they know how: in hardware.

Give it time...

The SXS is a great piece of hardware, and i don't doubt its capabilities in those select departments, never did.
 
Everything a video game DOES is affected predominantly by the GPU, CPU and RAM. And XSX is better on all three counts with guaranteed clock speeds, plus it will be better with ray tracing since it has more hardware for that. Sony went overkill on the loading times with their SSD and still nobody who is impressed with the 5GB/sec loads has ever explained how that will change gameplay or design fundamentally other than loading times, unless of course they're going to have 5TB install sizes to have enough assets to stream in unique data constantly. All because they boxed themselves in on making it backwards compatible the only way they know how: in hardware.
XSX isn't better with ram.
 
You are basing a lot of you assumptions on fragments of information, and you've made a conclusion on that.

Give it time...

You're responding to a completely different conversation I'm having with someone else, but since you're wrong anyway I suppose I'll play along.

CuttingEdge Val was taking his usual 'read something somewhere where someone said the xsx ram is worse because split' argument and I was as succinctly as possible mentioning that RAM bandwidth for CPU is not a thing that is a bottleneck in these processors, because the CPU's RAM is not there to be repeatedly filled and flushed like a dollar store burrito.

If you were somehow trying to read into that anything else, as if I were saying for example, that it's not possible to read 2.5 GB/sec of unique data from an SSD constantly (which, incidentally, is the XSX speed) and have more than 40 seconds of gameplay without 100 GB installation size, I apologize. Though I said it now, if that makes you happier. But if that assertion displeases you, my only suggestion is that you take it up with arithmetic. Or, you know, just give it time; maybe carrying the one will fall out of fashion and you can do that example with a 0 GB install because of the power of the Cell the ultra shiny SSD.
 
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More single>Less split

Exactly why you snap your Zen 2 CPU into a hole in the GPU so it can share that GDDR6, because despite CPU and GPU having had separate RAM pools for decades, apparently having one pool with two different access rates is suddenly an impossibility to overcome.
 
You're responding to a completely different conversation I'm having with someone else, but since you're wrong anyway I suppose I'll play along.

CuttingEdge Val was taking his usual 'read something somewhere where someone said the xsx ram is worse because split' argument and I was as succinctly as possible mentioning that RAM bandwidth for CPU is not a thing that is a bottleneck in these processors, because the CPU's RAM is not there to be repeatedly filled and flushed like a dollar store burrito.

If you were somehow trying to read into that anything else, as if I were saying for example, that it's not possible to read 2.5 GB/sec of unique data from an SSD constantly (which, incidentally, is the XSX speed) and have more than 40 seconds of gameplay without 100 GB installation size, I apologize. Though I said it now, if that makes you happier. But if that assertion displeases you, my only suggestion is that you take it up with arithmetic. Or, you know, just give it time; maybe carrying the one will fall out of fashion and you can do that example with a 0 GB install because of the power of the Cell the ultra shiny SSD.
If you actually had access to, at least one of these systems, i could understand. But you don't. You don't even have an inside source to talk to about at least one of these systems. Yet, you've emptied these two platforms inside out right down to decimal, and you've somehow prepared an entire conclusion. What is so hard about letting it play out before you start jumping the gun? If there is anyone that appears "displeased," it is you.
 
Exactly why you snap your Zen 2 CPU into a hole in the GPU so it can share that GDDR6, because despite CPU and GPU having had separate RAM pools for decades, apparently having one pool with two different access rates is suddenly an impossibility to overcome.
Not impossible to overcome but a disadvantage for sure(cost cutting most sensible reason)
 
The memory debate is a bit tired. Will have to wait for NDAs are up to get better explanations but even the high level one makes sense. Yes splitting the memory cuts cost but they've done it because there's negligible losses due to new processes that allow CPU tasks to (automatically) travel through the slower memory (where speed isn't a factor). We've been over this....but then we get linked to Youtubers who don't have access to either hardware telling us the Xbox Series is bottlenecked on decompression and audio because they don't believe the stated efficiency explanations. Selective learning from people who also do selective learning doesn't lead to an intelligent discussion. No point in arguing though. Results will start being shown soon. NDAs will end.
 
If you actually had access to, at least one of these systems, i could understand. But you don't. You don't even have an inside source to talk to about at least one of these systems. Yet, you've emptied these two platforms inside out right down to decimal, and you've somehow prepared an entire conclusion. What is so hard about letting it play out before you start jumping the gun? If there is anyone that appears "displeased," it is you.

I'm not the one out there saying how the PS5 SSD and only the PS5 SSD will revolutionize game design. The next gen consoles' SSDs are awesome. They'll eviscerate most loading times (though I'm finding that No Man's Sky, for example, takes a crapton of time to load even on PC with an SSD that's comfortably in the 4GB/sec sequential reads, which just illustrates that there's more to load times even than just I/O speed.

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[edit: That's the bench on my OS disk. I have an identical SSD for the games and programs drive. It benched slightly higher just now but the numbers probably shift from run to run. Point being that some games' loading time isn't just down to mechanical drives).

The simple fact is I love that they're both using great SSDs. Sony's being faster is great for their loading times. But all this puffery about how it and only it can allow completely new game designs that couldn't be replicated on the XSX is just that - puffing without taking a chance to pass. Take the win that it'll load games faster and make fast travel better and be done with it.
 
Digital foundry has been pretty clear on what specs are better on paper.
While i tend to agree, I still wouldn't appeal to "authority" this way. We still have not seen how these machines manifest their respective benefits. There are two different approaches. Approaches that each company feels was the best focus for their new machines. I'm actually very interested to see how it hashes out. We will have a better understanding after MS shows their First party games, imo. Though I'd still remind people that it's the beginning of a generation with new ways of tapping into respective advantages.
 
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While i tend to agree, I still wouldn't appeal to "authority" this way. We still have not seen how these machines manifest their respective benefits. There are two different approaches. Approaches that each company feels was the best focus for their new machines. I'm actually very interested to see how it hashes out. We will have a better understanding after MS shows their First party games, imo. Though I'd still remind people that it's the beginning of a generation with new ways of tapping into respective advantages.
Well, they have been right pretty much everytime they've made predictions. They basically nailed what the one x would be able to do when other media and forums made fun of ms claims of a 4k console.
 
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While i tend to agree, I still wouldn't appeal to "authority" this way. We still have not seen how these machines manifest their respective benefits. There are two different approaches. Approaches that each company feels was the best focus for their new machines. I'm actually very interested to see how it hashes out. We will have a better understanding after MS shows their First party games, imo. Though I'd still remind people that it's the beginning of a generation with new ways of tapping into respective advantages.

Come on Froz. You know this is no place for nuance or logic. Pick a side and lather yourself up in whatever salty butter their tribe hands you.
 
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