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They don’t usually make money on HW until much later in the cycle. Games are where the money is. MS doesn’t care what you play on, they just care that you buy their game. I don’t see why Sony would feel any differently.
Money is money, and software


More potential players = more potential sales.
I hate gaming on a PC, and there a lot of players like that. If I wanted to play a game that only existed on PC, then yeah, I’d game on it. But given a choice, a console is just more convenient.

Putting a game on PC won’t ruin sales for either console
PS4 EXCLUSIVES outsell MS XBO/PC *cough* exclusives so this argument fails.
 
Why buy a certain gaming machine if it doesn't have exclusives?
TERRIBLE idea! Thankfully Sony and Nintendo actually make exclusive games still.


XB consoles aren't needed anymore to play XB games... I know quite a few XB peeps who don't even buy XB consoles anymore because of this and it's constantly mentioned all over gaming forums.
What did XB losing exclusives cause? PS4 selling almost 3:1 XBO and Switch surpassing XBO in sales after releasing in the middle of the generation.
Things were much closer last gen.
PS4 exclusives still significantly outsell XB/PC games combined so no it doesn't make much business sense.

Releasing older games is a different story altogether(would luv Bloodborne PC) but it doesn't take a expert to see what happened with HZD.

Games built ground up for the PS5 using its strengths like the super fast SSD aren't possible to come to the PC unless they make the games for a very limited PCI E 4.0 Mobo having audience.

Some people cannot afford a PC capable of playing those games, that's where consoles come in.
 
PS4 EXCLUSIVES outsell MS XBO/PC *cough* exclusives so this argument fails.

No it doesn't. More sales and exposure for relatively little work is a win/win for the devs/Sony/consumers.

You seem like one of those people who get mad at exclusives coming to other platforms.
 
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No it doesn't. More sales and exposure for relatively little work is a win/win for the devs/Sony/consumers.

You seem like one of those people who get mad at exclusives coming to other platforms.
Yes it does. No reason to buy PS if the game can be bought on other devices.
AGAIN I say XB is the perfect example of this.
 
Yet XB console sales dropped dramatically when the exclusives came to PC.
Prove it. Link me something official and I might consider believing you. And you before you try and send an article about sales numbers dropping, BOTH PS and Xbox sales are dropping off within the last year or so. It’s the end of the gen, that’s completely normal.

And again, for the last time, the same point: Money is made in software, especially if existing games can be sold to a new market, or re-sold to an existing one. It’s far less work for the devs, and more money for all of them. HW numbers are not going to be as big of a deal in the next gen.


For example, Both companies will most likely lose money on each console sold at launch. But let’s say they break even. So they both sell a million units at launch . Hell, let’s say the PS5 sells 2 Million. Each has a big games release at launch, and each game cost 50 million to produce. They both cost the same ($60).

The only difference is the Xbox game is also on PC, and there are what, 5 million PC gamers out there? So now the install base just went from 1 million to 6 million. And 5 million of those didn’t have to drop a cent on new HW.

So for a business perspective, since you won’t make any money on HW for at least a year, please explain what is the better situation for potential sales and ROI.

My buddy is an Xbox guy. I have all 3 systems, and I tried to talk him into getting at least a used PS4 but he won’t do it. But now he’s interested in playing HoriZon since he has a good PC. That’s a win for Sony, especially since it can’t cost them much to port a game.
 
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I know this would never happen just because it'd be too expensive to make and kill the battery but this mock up is nice, all of the button symbols light up and the tips on the d-pad and keeping the body of the controller black.

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Why buy a certain gaming machine if it doesn't have exclusives?
TERRIBLE idea! Thankfully Sony and Nintendo actually make exclusive games still.

XB consoles aren't needed anymore to play XB games... I know quite a few XB peeps who don't even buy XB consoles anymore because of this and it's constantly mentioned all over gaming forums.
What did XB losing exclusives cause? PS4 selling almost 3:1 XBO and Switch surpassing XBO in sales after releasing in the middle of the generation.
Things were much closer last gen.
PS4 exclusives still significantly outsell XB/PC games combined so no it doesn't make much business sense.

Releasing older games is a different story altogether(would luv Bloodborne PC) but it doesn't take a expert to see what happened with HZD.

Games built ground up for the PS5 using its strengths like the super fast SSD aren't possible to come to the PC unless they make the games for a very limited PCI E 4.0 Mobo having audience.
PS consoles aren’t needed anymore either thanks to Sony’s focus on going multiplatform.
 
Prove it. Link me something official and I might consider believing you. And you before you try and send an article about sales numbers dropping, BOTH PS and Xbox sales are dropping off within the last year or so. It’s the end of the gen, that’s completely normal.

And again, for the last time, the same point: Money is made in software, especially if existing games can be sold to a new market, or re-sold to an existing one. It’s far less work for the devs, and more money for all of them. HW numbers are not going to be as big of a deal in the next gen.


For example, Both companies will most likely lose money on each console sold at launch. But let’s say they break even. So they both sell a million units at launch . Hell, let’s say the PS5 sells 2 Million. Each has a big games release at launch, and each game cost 50 million to produce. They both cost the same ($60).

The only difference is the Xbox game is also on PC, and there are what, 5 million PC gamers out there? So now the install base just went from 1 million to 6 million. And 5 million of those didn’t have to drop a cent on new HW.

So for a business perspective, since you won’t make any money on HW for at least a year, please explain what is the better situation for potential sales and ROI.

My buddy is an Xbox guy. I have all 3 systems, and I tried to talk him into getting at least a used PS4 but he won’t do it. But now he’s interested in playing HoriZon since he has a good PC. That’s a win for Sony, especially since it can’t cost them much to port a game.


Off by a light year.

 
What do people think the PS5's launch window of games will be? All within 6 months of release of PS5.

I expect:

GodFall,
Demon Souls Remake
Japan Studio new IP
Ratchet and Clank
 


I new this was coming. I love it!!! How about we look at it from THIS ANGLE, instead:

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But it's very flattering that the fanboys would just LOVE to give all that credit to the competition because.....well, they are mad that Sony is taking another advantage out of the competition's sail once again.
 
What do people think the PS5's launch window of games will be? All within 6 months of release of PS5.

I expect:

GodFall,
Demon Souls Remake
Japan Studio new IP
Ratchet and Clank

Godfall
The Last of Us 2
Ghosts of Tshima
 
Yeah, but but I'd be counted in that and I prefer playing on console
It is bulls*** number. 1.2 billion and all it could muster was 6 billion in game revenue. Lol. That is f***ing terrible for a 40 billion dollar a year industry.
 
Prove it. Link me something official and I might consider believing you. And you before you try and send an article about sales numbers dropping, BOTH PS and Xbox sales are dropping off within the last year or so. It’s the end of the gen, that’s completely normal.

And again, for the last time, the same point: Money is made in software, especially if existing games can be sold to a new market, or re-sold to an existing one. It’s far less work for the devs, and more money for all of them. HW numbers are not going to be as big of a deal in the next gen.


For example, Both companies will most likely lose money on each console sold at launch. But let’s say they break even. So they both sell a million units at launch . Hell, let’s say the PS5 sells 2 Million. Each has a big games release at launch, and each game cost 50 million to produce. They both cost the same ($60).

The only difference is the Xbox game is also on PC, and there are what, 5 million PC gamers out there? So now the install base just went from 1 million to 6 million. And 5 million of those didn’t have to drop a cent on new HW.

So for a business perspective, since you won’t make any money on HW for at least a year, please explain what is the better situation for potential sales and ROI.

My buddy is an Xbox guy. I have all 3 systems, and I tried to talk him into getting at least a used PS4 but he won’t do it. But now he’s interested in playing HoriZon since he has a good PC. That’s a win for Sony, especially since it can’t cost them much to port a game.
Official? Exclusive software sales vs the 360 AND console sales aren't even close like they were vs PS4 before making games on the PC and vs 360. If you disagree it's up to you to prove what I just said wrong.

I buy Sony machines to play Sony games and Nintendo machines to play Nintendo games.

The main appeal of the Sony and Nintendo is the exclusives...if you take them away the sales would go down.
As stated already I see no harm in releasing "older" games that aren't making money anymore on the PC.
MIGHT net them another million.
But simultaneous releases (unless they are mp focused with cross-play PS vs PC) I have issue with.

As stated already PS5 games that take advantage of the new SSD won't be possible without Motherboards that have PCI E 4.0 and that's a super small market.
 
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I have no idea what point you're trying to make with those pictures of controllers.

They are pictures. It's not that hard. But ok, it'll entertain it.

The guy in the video is a fanboy, and it's obviously why if you were following along in his previous videos. It kinda explains why he didn't even know what adaptive triggers were. Sony's controller resembles Sony's controller. But IF he'd ever followed the history of a Playstation, he'd know this as well as everyone that took his word for it. He's not a source I'd use pertaining to a Playstation anything due to his blatant bias.

I don't expect you to agree, though, but the fact are the facts.
 
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Official? Exclusive software sales vs the 360 AND console sales aren't even close like they were vs PS4 before making games on the PC and vs 360. If you disagree it's up to you to prove what I just said wrong.

Correlation != causation. E.g., teams taking a knee at the end of the 4th quarter win a huge percentage of the time (sometimes it's to get into OT and sometimes it's because they're down and there's no point embarrassing themselves further). That does not mean taking the knee caused them to win.
 
Official? Exclusive software sales vs the 360 AND console sales aren't even close like they were vs PS4 before making games on the PC and vs 360. If you disagree it's up to you to prove what I just said wrong.

I buy Sony machines to play Sony games and Nintendo machines to play Nintendo games.

The main appeal of the Sony and Nintendo is the exclusives...if you take them away the sales would go down.
As stated already I see no harm in releasing "older" games that aren't making money anymore on the PC.
MIGHT net them another million.
But simultaneous releases (unless they are mp focused with cross-play PS vs PC) I have issue with.

As stated already PS5 games that take advantage of the new SSD won't be possible without Motherboards that have PCI E 4.0 and that's a super small market.
Your argument is flawed. You can't sit there and say low console sales and exclusive sales are due to exclusives being multiplatform.The Xbox 1 was screwed from the second the reveal event ended
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I also fail to see the logic behind the low exclusive sales. If you have them on two big platforms the sales should atleast be the same.

Just looking at the exclusives we can compare, it just looks like people are tired of the same old stuff. This where Sony has the big advantage this gen.
 
Your argument is flawed. You can't sit there and say low console sales and exclusive sales are due to exclusives being multiplatform.The Xbox 1 was screwed from the second the reveal event ended
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I also fail to see the logic behind the low exclusive sales. If you have them on two big platforms the sales should atleast be the same.

Just looking at the exclusives we can compare, it just looks like people are tired of the same old stuff. This where Sony has the big advantage this gen.
Yes I can. X1 out the door did have major issues but the race was still much closer then.
Since they no longer have exclusives... it's so laughably bad that Switch surpassed them.
This in not how things were 360 vs PS3 and 360 had some anti core gamer choices as well(kinect bs anyone? )

No need to buy more than one platform if theirs no exclusives.
NO THANKS!
 
Sony had their best gen ever when it comes to 1st party game sales, they had several go over 10 million units sold and about half of them weren't sequels but new IP.. I can see selling games on PC later but not day one, you lose something when your exclusives aren't really exclusive anymore.. It's not about keeping other people from playing the games it's just that feeling of "this is the only place to play this" maybe that's an outdated way of looking at it but many of us still do.

I won't be pissed off if they do sell them on PC day one but I think it'd be a mistake, especially if Sony invested all this time in money in a specialized SSD set up and then the games they make for the console can't be built around it because PC gamers have to be taken into account. Release it on PS5 first and then go back and rework it so it can be optimized for people running games off of slower SSD/HDD set ups.

I also think we have to stop talking about PC as if it's a fixed platform, a lot of people who game on PC's don't have high end rigs but people always talk about PC gaming as if everyone has the latest and greatest hardware.
 
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Yes I can. X1 out the door did have major issues but the race was still much closer then.
Since they no longer have exclusives... it's so laughably bad that Switch surpassed them.
This in not how things were 360 vs PS3 and 360 had some anti core gamer choices as well(kinect bs anyone? )

No need to buy more than one platform if theirs no exclusives.
NO THANKS!
And what did the 360 have that X1 doesn't? Oh yes! It had great reveal...Oh! And it had plenty of new first party games.

Yet you cling to and proclaim the least significant factor as the cause,shocking.Your false narrative has way too many holes.

I actually agree with your point that no exclusives are bad, but they aren't on other consoles.People game on console for their simplicity and userability. PC has lots of great games not on console and lots of great perks, and yet the console market constantly grows. Pretty hard to swallow that everybody is jumping ship cause exclusives are on PC.
 
Should I play my next gen games on a $500 console or a multi thousand dollar computer?

I’ll be able to buy both XsX and PS5 for less than what a good PC would cost. Maybe even throw a Switch 2 in there.
 
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