I know this thread is about Scorpio. But that conference was freaking odd. The whole vibe seemed somber.
Cerny tried his best John Carmack impression to explain how awesome this new tech was. But he didn't even sound convinced.
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I know this thread is about Scorpio. But that conference was freaking odd. The whole vibe seemed somber.
Cerny tried his best John Carmack impression to explain how awesome this new tech was. But he didn't even sound convinced.
That just proves the point. They didn't have a direction because Microsoft jumped ahead of them and announced two machines that can do all of those things. One of them just happens to be a lot stronger than their pro.
Microsoft did the right thing announcing their consoles when they did.
It will be. Just like a 2tf jump will be noticeable from the current PS4. The 2TF difference in raw GPU Scorpio power will obviously be noticeable...in exclusives.
I still not sure how third parties are going to go about all these different powered consoles.
It is clear (to me) that the Pro is clearly designed to run the PSVR and was never intended as a mid generation machine. It is totally apparent that this is the case. I have said it before that PSVR will sink SONY and now it's coming true. It is very very clear that the base PS4 will suck balls on PSVR they even nearly said it themselves. As for the conference. This has to go down as the worst console reveal ever in the history of reveals.....
Microsoft now have a wide open goal to take aim at.......4K Gaming, 60 FPS and full VR support. Price it correctly and they will win 'hearts & minds'....
Microsoft now have a wide open goal to take aim at.......4K Gaming, 60 FPS and full VR support. Price it correctly and they will win 'hearts & minds'....
Nah.
If we are lucky we might see some demos from CES 2017. I seriously doubt we will see anything before then.
I said the exact same thing. The Pro is here for PSVR. All the specs point to that and not a slapped together stop gap against Scorpio.
PSVR has been sold out for months on Amazon and elsewhere. They already have production problems, lack of killer software, and the threat that current PS4 users will be the 1st to use it on their underpowered systems and create a bevy of bad press. When you see how Oculus and Vive have failed to generate any press since launch and you have an expensive accessory that still years from being viable.
We won't see forza 7 untill e3 2017.. Running 4k/60 om Scorpio. But I'll hope we'll see fh3 and gow4 running 4k/60 on Scorpio dev kits. The day before the pro release would be awesome.
The same way they target different powered pcs. Scorpio will get the most awesome version, and ALL other consoles will get a watered down version.
DigitalFoundry will count the pixels and there will be some crying and loud whining on some boards. Some will even call it payback time. But let them, the Scorpio players will just enjoy the games with a smile. ☺
Interview with Albert Penello from MS regarding Scorpio
http://www.icxm.net/x/albert-penello-says-difference-between-ps4pro-scorpio-obvious.html
http://www.icxm.net/x/albert-penello-says-difference-between-ps4pro-scorpio-obvious.html
Yeah MS really has a chance to shine now. I'm Pro for an upgrade for PSVR and the HDD space, and I'm hoping that decision pays off. I think sony had a horrible conference though. It was confusing for many in regard to what it means for people with 1080p TVs, it sounds like some devs will support us more than others in that regard, but if you have a 4k TV you will lose many of the visual effects upscaling? Tomb Raider is one example of that. But the message is confusing because that makes me not what a 4k TV for Pro.
For me, I would rather have 1080p and more effects, better fps, super sampling, not fake 4k.
Not only that, they went really cheap with the design(looks), and of course the specs. And no 4k blue ray? What? Pro? What's "pro" about this thing? Doesn't even make sense. You're a "professional" gamer or gaming machine? Um no, that would be PC.
The Scorpio will be a monster by comparison I think, especially if the cpu and RAM are upgraded.
For me, I would rather have 1080p and more effects, better fps, super sampling, not fake 4k.
Not only that, they went really cheap with the design(looks), and of course the specs. And no 4k blue ray? What? Pro? What's "pro" about this thing? Doesn't even make sense. You're a "professional" gamer or gaming machine? Um no, that would be PC.
The Scorpio will be a monster by comparison I think, especially if the cpu and RAM are upgraded.
They are, the RAM is very fast; 320GB/s bandwidth - that's 50% faster than the pro. (And there's speculation of 12GB of GDDR5)
We don't the cpu specs yet though, but it will match the rest of the system that's for sure
It's extremely doubtful it will be exactly 6TF. MS themselves don't know until the silicon is commissioned for press (late June/early August for November launches) they design it and aim for a ballpark and raise or lower clocks as such, they only certainty they have is they are confident they will hit 6TF/320GB/Sec as a minimum. But its doubtful it would be above 7TF, 6.2-6.6 is a reasonable assumption. They will want to hit $399 with a 1TB HDD and there's no reason to go all out, when from here on out, you aren't building consoles to last 6-8 year generations. You're building it for 30 months before it becomes the mid-range of your product line.
12GB is not really speculation, true it ain't confirmed (there's a reason for that, and it's the E3 megaton next year) the mock up has 12 memory chips (which makes no sense for 8GB of GDDR5 or any other memory) and if there's one thing that would scream "not a leap" it would be having the same amount of ram as a 4 year old console.
There's a concise difference between Scorpio and the PS4 Pro. The Pro is an extent of PS4 vanilla, the Scorpio is an early next gen console that just happens to play every XB1 game and has a 2 year head start. Question is has MS forced Sony to become the new Nintendo, consistently behind the tech curve, cos while i'm sure Sony will have a more powerful system out in 2019, Scorpios 16TF big brother will always be "only a year away"
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So does this mean the Pro, being sold as the same gen, but premium, will not be compatible with the PS5? Because if they are pulling what it looks like MS is, then There wouldn't be another gen as you would just iterate on consoles and keep your old games. It's all strange to think about these kinds of subtle differentiation.
No, I think the PS5 will play pro games...or maybe it's just the PSPro 2. But there's a difference in philisophy. MS sees Scorpio as Xbox 4. Its "first to next gen" like the 360 was. The PSpro is a jazzed up PS4 with slightly more available memory.
Personally I think they're all pulling fast ones when it comes to "no one gets left behind", they aren't going to support the XB1 vanilla until 2025! They will do so as long as its relevant in pricing and sales...and it's not unfair, it will have your standard 5-6 years of limelite then bow out, though it's nice to have another 40-50 million users, at some point it is going to be holding games back. Resolution is one thing, but you can't downscale say Scorpio Forza 8 having 48 car races, while XB1 version can only have 24. It wouldn't work, you'd have to have console specific modes or incompatibility.
Sony will be in the same boat.
There needs to be a point when they say "ok, now we build games for Scorpio by default and not XB1v". It's just an easier way from going from 100 million consoles to 0 as generations typically have, you go from 100m to 60m - there's less risk.
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Right, but then difference is Semantic. In practice it's exactly the same thing, why make the distinction? If there is no more generational break with the last, it's all iterative. I hear people say the PS4 pro is a beefed up PS4 in the same gen but Scorpio is a new generation even though they play out the same but with Scorpio representing a larger gain. Both are tied to the current gen. Same. The philosophy is the same, MS just went bigger.
If MS and Sony are committed to all this backwards, forward, sideways compatibility.
Just depends how far back they want to go, and how much they demand devs to make games compatible with certain systems.
On PC, there is no standard. But MS/Sony seem to want Scorpio/X1 and PS4 Pro/PS4 to work together. But what will Scorpio 2 and Pro 2 work with? How far down the chain? Who knows, but there should be a cut off at some point just like PC gaming. At some point a game won't work on old systems and OS (unless an emulator is made).
Just depends how far back they want to go, and how much they demand devs to make games compatible with certain systems.
On PC, there is no standard. But MS/Sony seem to want Scorpio/X1 and PS4 Pro/PS4 to work together. But what will Scorpio 2 and Pro 2 work with? How far down the chain? Who knows, but there should be a cut off at some point just like PC gaming. At some point a game won't work on old systems and OS (unless an emulator is made).
So now that we know that the Neo is the Pro. What do we think the Scorpio will really be called? I'm putting my money on Xbox One Plus and i've already bookmarked this post before i hit the reply button. Take it to the bank.
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Xbox Scorpio games will use better textures
http://www.icxm.net/x/xbox-scorpio-devs-working-with-6-tflops-icxm-net-spencer.html
http://www.icxm.net/x/xbox-scorpio-devs-working-with-6-tflops-icxm-net-spencer.html
Xbox One Genesis would be amazing. Buy out Sega. Lol
They can still call it Xbox Pro - shows they are directly competing with the PS4 Pro and they got the better spec. But Pro is a stupid name for consumer devices.
Has MS stated that the Scorpio won't hold any exclusive features over the XB1 version of Single Player portion of games?
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