Project Scorpio

[Kvally]

Pretty exciting...

So then, next year:

1. Microsoft will have the most affordable and compact current gen console, complete with 4k video, UHD output with HDR, 4K Blu-ray player, and the IR blaster to control all your living room stuff. Get one of the best features of the Kinect, built right into the device.

2. Microsoft will have the largest library of games. Free Xbox 360 back compat, all the cross plat games, tons of exclusives (both AAA and indie), etc.

3. Microsoft will have the best ecosystem. Buy once, play anywhere for many of the games, so your library on PC grows as you build your console library, and vice versa. Gamers can stream games from Xbox to PC.

4. Microsoft will have the most powerful console on the planet. Scorpio destroys PS4, and it'll destroy Neo. It'll be the only console capable of true 4k gaming, and VR done right.

5. Microsoft already has the best controller, but it gets even better. The controller with the S is both Bluetooth and Xbox proprietary tech, so you can use it on any Bluetooth enabled machine (PC's, tablets, phones, etc.) - no dongle necessary.

Yeah, it's a good time to be an Xbox gamer... I can wait to see what people do with Scorpio...

You know you just made me moist, right?

What do you guys think, will xbox owners actually get any benefit from this console + pc marriage? With Scorpio releasing and xbox being marketed as Windows 10 device, would it be too much from us to expect PC to Xbox streaming or PC games actually being released for xbox too?

Well, if you look at it this way....what if MS asked a studio to make an exclusive game for Scorpio for the release day (this is all hypothetical)...devs or publishers might not because there are no units sold out there, so they are going to a very small population (happens every gen). But now Microsoft says, we want a Microsoft Windows and a Microsoft Xbox exclusive. That means they are appealing to hundreds of millions of consumers.

Now a developer can make a game and have it day one on Scorpio (which has no consoles sold yet), and have their game also on Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Xbox One. They have a large opportunity now, and with Sony only catering to their single console, they are more likely to strike a deal with MS. That is a benefit for gamers who feel the need to have an exclusive.

 

[Blandina]

Forza Motorsport 7 will most likely be a showcase title for Scorpio.
Native 4K/60 fps in HDR

 

[Blandina]

Eurogamer Scorpio analysis

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-xbox-one-project-scorpio-spec-analysis

Memory: 12GB of GDDR5?

Microsoft also dropped some hard figures in terms of memory bandwidth too, telling us that Scorpio has over320GB/s of throughput. This gives us a couple of useful data points. Firstly, it's almost certainly the case that the ESRAM experiment on Xbox One is now a thing of the past - Microsoft will be following the approach pioneered by Sony in using a single, unified pool of memory based on PC graphics RAM technology. Which technology that is remains to be seen - will it be GDDR5 or the faster G5X found in Nvidia's GTX 1080?

The stated figure of 320GB/s can be achieved with 8GB of G5X using a 256-bit bus, or alternatively it could be using a 384-bit interface paired with 12GB of GDDR5. Now, this is where the stylised renderings of the Scorpio motherboard prove rather useful as we can count the amount of memory modules on the board - 12 memory chips are visible, confirming the use of current-gen memory tech and not the HBM2 we expect to see on Vega and Nvidia's next-gen Titan. This also seems to suggest that Scorpio has another big advantage over PlayStation 4K Neo - not just over 100GB/s more bandwidth, but also an additional 4GB of onboard RAM

 

[Oblong]

Even though it hasn't been announced officially, it's been confirmed by numerous sources that the Neo's specs are locked in at this point. They won't be throwing away billions in R&D or their APU just to catch up with Scorpio.

NEO
8 Jag Cores @ 2.1GHz
36CUs @ 911 MHz [4.1TFLPs]
8GB GDDR5 @ 218GB/s

Yes. This fully explains why Sony pulled out of announcing Neo at E3...they have been beat badly by MS. But Neo has to release or PSVR will fail so they are in a tight spot.

All they can do is take their lumps and regroup for PS5 down the road.

 

[Kvally]

Eurogamer Scorpio analysis

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-xbox-one-project-scorpio-spec-analysis

Memory: 12GB of GDDR5?

Microsoft also dropped some hard figures in terms of memory bandwidth too, telling us that Scorpio has over320GB/s of throughput. This gives us a couple of useful data points. Firstly, it's almost certainly the case that the ESRAM experiment on Xbox One is now a thing of the past - Microsoft will be following the approach pioneered by Sony in using a single, unified pool of memory based on PC graphics RAM technology. Which technology that is remains to be seen - will it be GDDR5 or the faster G5X found in Nvidia's GTX 1080?

The stated figure of 320GB/s can be achieved with 8GB of G5X using a 256-bit bus, or alternatively it could be using a 384-bit interface paired with 12GB of GDDR5. Now, this is where the stylised renderings of the Scorpio motherboard prove rather useful as we can count the amount of memory modules on the board - 12 memory chips are visible, confirming the use of current-gen memory tech and not the HBM2 we expect to see on Vega and Nvidia's next-gen Titan. This also seems to suggest that Scorpio has another big advantage over PlayStation 4K Neo - not just over 100GB/s more bandwidth, but also an additional 4GB of onboard RAM

f*** me sideways, Scorpio will be BEAST.

 

[Nervusbreakdown]

Yes. This fully explains why Sony pulled out of announcing Neo at E3...they have been beat badly by MS. But Neo has to release or PSVR will fail so they are in a tight spot.

All they can do is take their lumps and regroup for PS5 down the road.

This is what im trying to say. While people said Sony had a so call greatest show ever (please).

They didnt show neo because they just got biatch slap by MS and now the heat is on because MS can out spend them with money which Sony dont have.

Not showing the neo at E3 was a smart move but sooner or later they have to show it because its coming in October and they had spent the last penny on neo and the stupid VR which can totally crumble all together.

If Neo fails with the VR this can break the company because both are Sony hardware.

If VR dont take off MS dont have to worry bevause they dont have a VR of their own just Hololens which is different.

 

[Blandina]

f*** me sideways, Scorpio will be BEAST.

Xbox Scorpio
For the REAL Gamers
☺

I think this is karma. I'm looking forward to get many of my Xbox friends back, who jumped ship this gen.

 

[Kvally]

Xbox Scorpio
For the REAL Gamers
☺

I think this is karma. I'm looking forward to get many of my Xbox friends back, who jumped ship this gen.

Only one friend of mine jumped ship, but was back within 6 months.

 

[Rollins]

The original Italian leaker's source is legit...he doubled down on the 10 TF a couple weeks ago. All theoretical at this point but definitely beastly either way.


http://www.techpowerup.com/223385/microsoft-xbox-scorpio-soc-powered-by-polaris-and-zen

Microsoft XBOX Scorpio SoC Powered by "Polaris" and "Zen"
by btarunr Monday, June 13th 2016 21:10 Discuss (33 Comments)
It looks like Microsoft will overpower Sony in the next round of the console wars, with a more powerful SoC on paper. The new XBOX "Scorpio" 4K Ultra HD game console will feature a custom-design SoC by AMD, which will combine not just a GPU based on the "Polaris" architecture, but also a CPU based on the "Zen" microarchitecture. This is significant because it sees a departure from using 8 smaller "Jaguar" CPU cores, and upshifts to stronger "Zen" ones. The chip could be built on the 14 nm process.

The SoC powering the XBOX Scorpio could feature a CPU component with eight "Zen" CPU cores, with SMT enabling 16 logical CPUs, and a "Polaris" GPU with 6 TFLOP/s of compute power. The combined compute power is expected to be close to 10 TFLOP/s. The Radeon RX 480, for instance features 5.84 TFLOP/s of power at its given clock speed. The CPU and GPU will likely share a common memory interface, belting out a memory bandwidth of 320 GB/s. The silicon muscle of this console should power 4K Ultra HD, 1080p @ 60 Hz HDR, and "good VR" solutions such as the Oculus Rift and HTC Vive. Games for the console could leverage DirectX 12.

 

[de3d1]

I doubt they go with the Zen personally, that's overkill against Neo, its already overkill I think.

I read in the eurogamer article that sony has already sent out dev kits for the neo, so that basic components are already in place.. A radical upgrade to match Scorpio will not happen at this point according to eurogamer.

 

[Frozpot]

Yes. This fully explains why Sony pulled out of announcing Neo at E3...they have been beat badly by MS. But Neo has to release or PSVR will fail so they are in a tight spot.

All they can do is take their lumps and regroup for PS5 down the road.

Eh, hate to say it, but Sony just whooped MS all over the building at E3 from a GAMES perspective. Their games made MS's stuff look last gen, imo, and I am predominantly an Xbox guy. MS can have the most powerful box all they want if they don't deliver us those experiences, so to say they were beat badly is disingenuous.

 

[de3d1]

Eh, hate to say it, but Sony just whooped MS all over the building at E3 from a GAMES perspective. Their games made MS's stuff look last gen, imo, and I am predominantly an Xbox guy. MS can have the most powerful box all they want if they don't deliver us those experiences, so to say they were beat badly is disingenuous.

Agreed. However one point MS can make is that their games are actually coming soon. If MS wanted, they could show their cards for 2017+ as well, make a gameplay video and show what they have, which isn't a bad idea since it works. I honestly feel like sony excluded release dates because they don't have any idea when their coming out. I honestly feel like some of those sony games are over 2 years away.

 

[hrudey]

Eh, hate to say it, but Sony just whooped MS all over the building at E3 from a GAMES perspective. Their games made MS's stuff look last gen, imo, and I am predominantly an Xbox guy. MS can have the most powerful box all they want if they don't deliver us those experiences, so to say they were beat badly is disingenuous.

Depends on what MS can get out between now and when all of these "Coming Someday!" games launch. But I agree MS is definitely behind on that front. In another thread somewhere I mentioned that I think this is basically the start of a new XBox division, first getting the platform and console right (with all the changes over the past couple of years plus Scorpio) and now they're going to have to follow up with content. I'm very interested to see what the future holds, but I get the impression that MS is finally in this whole hog, and I don't think they've forgotten the games side of it either.

 

[Frozpot]

Agreed. However one point MS can make is that their games are actually coming soon. If MS wanted, they could show their cards for 2017+ as well, make a gameplay video and show what they have, which isn't a bad idea since it works. I honestly feel like sony excluded release dates because they don't have any idea when their coming out. I honestly feel like some of those sony games are over 2 years away.

Truth. If they start getting too far out, they will run out of stuff to show at future E3s, lol. Next year will be like MS's this year !

 

[Kassen]

I imagine if they are sticking with the whole "beast" goal, then the Ram would need to match. They did say the bandwidth would be 320 gbs though.

Yeah, 320GB/s is nice, but I know the amount of RAM is equally important. The RAM has to store the OS and background tasks, the game logic stuff, and the graphics. And when you look at PC, graphics cards of similar horsepower come with 8GB alone of dedicated graphics memory exclusive for the GPU.

 

[Mcmasters]

Yeah, there were leaks on just about every game going to be shown at E3 for MS, so that may be the reason why they seem to lack on the games front. I'll say too that I wasnt too impressed with anything other than FH3 and Gears. Overall though, they brought a lot to the table. This E3 was quite different than the ones we've seen recently. I cant remember the last time we had an event that included hardware.

 

[Frozpot]

Yeah, 320GB/s is nice, but I know the amount of RAM is equally important. The RAM has to store the OS and background tasks, the game logic stuff, and the graphics. And when you look at PC, graphics cards of similar horsepower come with 8GB alone of dedicated graphics memory exclusive for the GPU.

I think Eurogamer is guessing 12 GB based on the trailer imagery. That would be awesome!

 

[Viktor]

Funny how the fast the tables are turned when there is good news. Hope it turns out great for Xbox only people. Would be a shame if Flynn went back into hiding if everything didn't pan out.

 

[Kreten]

http://www.polygon.com/2016/6/13/11927732/xbox-one-s-performance-gears-4

Seems that Xbox one s also has advantages on gpu and cpu compared to day one console.


Probably due to die shrink or something bringing everything closer

 

[Kvally]

Eh, hate to say it, but Sony just whooped MS all over the building at E3 from a GAMES perspective. Their games made MS's stuff look last gen, imo, and I am predominantly an Xbox guy. MS can have the most powerful box all they want if they don't deliver us those experiences, so to say they were beat badly is disingenuous.

That wasn't what I saw at all. Kojima showed a CGI trailer with no game and no engine. Another legos game (not exclusive), another Spiderman game (how many do we need), a downgraded Horizon Zero Dawn that looked pretty barren AI wise, an 8-10 year old PS3 game converted to PS4 (which I am getting day one), another GoW game (also getting day one), a zombie game (Days Gone) that started the show and ended the show that didn't show anything new or exciting, a ton of VR titles which will end up being a gimmick (IMO), no indies, another QTE game from QD, Crash remastered, another (and by far the worst) COD debut. I can't say I saw any great "experiences". And the worst part, only 2 with release dates.

Kudo's to Sony for the orchestra and focusing on games though. That much they did do right.

Keep in mind, that is just IMO.

 

[theBADguy]

Eh, hate to say it, but Sony just whooped MS all over the building at E3 from a GAMES perspective. Their games made MS's stuff look last gen, imo, and I am predominantly an Xbox guy. MS can have the most powerful box all they want if they don't deliver us those experiences, so to say they were beat badly is disingenuous.

Not from where i sit. 90% of that stuff don't even have release dates ( a Sony E3 tradmark, along with games trying hard to be movies) and will probably not even ship for quite some time. Not sure what was going on with the new GOW, game. Looks like it was trying hard to be TLOU. Xbox showed games with actual Gameplay that will be coming out in a solid timeframe, so yeah as far as games are concerned they knocked it out of the park for me. Sorry but cg trailers and promises of games that will come out "eventually" simply don't do it for me. RE7 looked good though but i can get that on xbox so...


It's just funny to me speaking in general how narratives change when it's convenient. The power angle has been pushed hard this gen by Fanboys and media a like. Xbox games no matter how good they were were torn apart by DF the media and gamers for being under 1080p. Quantum Break, one of the best games released this gen was torn apart for "lol 720p". But now when the Scorpio is announced , now it's not about power it's about games. Interesting how that works. Also Neogaf has been very entertaining since yesterday's reveal. Very entertaining indeed.

 

[Frozpot]

That wasn't what I saw at all. Kojima showed a CGI trailer with no game and no engine. Another legos game (not exclusive), another Spiderman game (how many do we need), a downgraded Horizon Zero Dawn that looked pretty barren AI wise, an 8-10 year old PS3 game converted to PS4 (which I am getting day one), another GoW game (also getting day one), a zombie game (Days Gone) that started the show and ended the show that didn't show anything new or exciting, a ton of VR titles which will end up being a gimmick (IMO), no indies, another QTE game from QD, Crash remastered, another (and by far the worst) COD debut. I can't say I saw any great "experiences". And the worst part, only 2 with release dates.

Kudo's to Sony for the orchestra and focusing on games though. That much they did do right.

Keep in mind, that is just IMO.

I feel like you've far over-simplified this. Those games (despite whatever dismissal you have like, "Genre", lol) looked more polished atmospheric, and immersive than the games MS had to show. Kojima straight up said that "demo" was real-time, so not CG, though whatever it means is anyone's guess.

Even "down-graded", Horizon looked better (graphically) than anything MS had.

TLG still looks unique and visually nice and charged with emotion.

GOW completely evolved itself in tone and gameplay (something Gears didn't do) while looking spectacular.

Spiderman looked like a far better effort than any before it.

Days gone absolutely killed it with that Zombie crowd tech, open world, dynamic, and dripping with atmosphere.

The Detroit game looked fantastic and they demonstrated how many outcomes that could have had. It may not be the type of game you like, but it undoubtedly had emotional resonance and the intrigue of a cool sci-fi story.

Legos can take a hike, as can Skylanders and COD. They even kept the VR to a minimum.

They killed that conference. The big question marks for me is whether they were showing Neo versions of those games ( This I highly suspect), and when the hell are they releasing.

 

[Frozpot]

Not from where i sit. 90% of that stuff don't even have release dates ( a Sony E3 tradmark, along with games trying hard to be movies) and will probably not even ship for quite some time. Not sure what was going on with the new GOW, game. Looks like it was trying hard to be TLOU. Xbox showed games with actual Gameplay that will be coming out in a solid timeframe, so yeah as far as games are concerned they knocked it out of the park for me. Sorry but cg trailers and promises of games that will come out "eventually" simply don't do it for me. RE7 looked good though but i can get that on xbox so...


It's just funny to me speaking in general how narratives change when it's convenient. The power angle has been pushed hard this gen by Fanboys and media a like. Xbox games no matter how good they were were torn apart by DF the media and gamers for being under 1080p. Quantum Break, one of the best games released this gen was torn apart for "lol 720p". But now when the Scorpio is announced , now it's not about power it's about games. Interesting how that works. Also Neogaf has been very entertaining since yesterday's reveal. Very entertaining indeed.

I'm with you on your arguments. Despite my Xbox leans, I still felt far more hyped from Sony's stuff that anyone (aside from FH3, anyway). I am now and will always be about the games. I do not look forward to the day when the power scales are flipped. I want people who end up on the other end next time to be bigger and not get into the fanboy trash talk, but that will never happen. The cycle will continue. People suck.

 

[theBADguy]

In the case of GOW how is plodding movement and slow combat "evolving" in any way? May as well have been a new IP.
Atmosphere is nice, but i am more impressed by good gameplay. Something David Cage "games" like Detroit don't seem to posses. Horizon looked decent but at the end of the day it's from the guys who gave us the Killzone series and Nam'67 , much like what Cryteck is often accused of tthey make pretty games but they lack in actual gameplay.

Sony just does the same thing they do every year, make promises that may or may not pan out but people keep falling for it for some reason.

 

[Kvally]

I feel like you've far over-simplified this. Those games (despite whatever dismissal you have like, "Genre", lol) looked more polished atmospheric, and immersive than the games MS had to show. Kojima straight up said that "demo" was real-time, so not CG, though whatever it means is anyone's guess.

Even "down-graded", Horizon looked better (graphically) than anything MS had.

TLG still looks unique and visually nice and charged with emotion.

GOW completely evolved itself in tone and gameplay (something Gears didn't do) while looking spectacular.

Spiderman looked like a far better effort than any before it.

Days gone absolutely killed it with that Zombie crowd tech, open world, dynamic, and dripping with atmosphere.

The Detroit game looked fantastic and they demonstrated how many outcomes that could have had. It may not be the type of game you like, but it undoubtedly had emotional resonance and the intrigue of a cool sci-fi story.

Legos can take a hike, as can Skylanders and COD. They even kept the VR to a minimum.

They killed that conference. The big question marks for me is whether they were showing Neo versions of those games ( This I highly suspect), and when the hell are they releasing.

We will just have to agree to disagree. Especially to get this back on topic. Andy & PV won't be happy.

About that Project Scorpio. I liked that interview where Phil said that Scorpio is actually the Xbox One family, just the high end version.

 

[Plainview]

Thought this was the Scorpio thread?​

 

[Kvally]

Spec Analysis: Xbox Project Scorpio - Digital Foundry
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-xbox-one-project-scorpio-spec-analysis

Pretty good read there. It pretty much will decimate any other console competition.

 

[Troublegum]

This guy, man, this guy.

 

[Kerosene31]

So an under-powered but super popular PS console is going to come up against a much more powerful MS one?

Great time for gamers. I'm kind of glad this gen is being replaced early but while still being supported.

 

[Frozpot]

The Scorpio announcement actually makes me want to get my multi-plats on X1 now. Why you ask? Forward Compatibility. It's entirely possible that when I transfer my X1 games over to Scorpio, that game that underperformed other consoles, could potentially end up being the superior version on the new console :S

Something to think about. I mean, carrying forward gives a real incentive to keep buying them for my X1 instead of my PS4...