***SPOILERS*** Star Wars Episode VII ***SPOILERS***
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She was in extreme disbelief herself of what she pulled off with the Millenium Falcon. So whatever skills she learned, either the new director does not acknowledge it or simply felt the need to emphasize that flying the Millenium Falcom as such was way beyond her apparent ability.
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I like the movie for the most part but it felt like a teaser for what's to come which I have a hunch will be special. Kylo is goofy and hard to take serious especially without the mask and pales in comparison to Hayden. I feel Snoke is Darth Plaguious (however you spell it)
I like the movie for the most part but it felt like a teaser for what's to come which I have a hunch will be special. Kylo is goofy and hard to take serious especially without the mask and pales in comparison to Hayden. I feel Snoke is Darth Plaguious (however you spell it)
1. Just saw it again this morning. It's mentioned at least 3 times that she's a pilot.
2. Like Luke and anakin, the force contributes to them having an innate skill at piloting. The previous movies established that.
3. Considering she spent so much time at piloting and practicing at piloting, she may be a better pilot than Luke. (Funny, Luke never piloted an x-wing, nor any fighter ship, and did so better than those trained to do so...hmmmm, unbelievable)
4. You said she wasn't a pilot...so did you lie?
So, where's the plot hole?
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She has a whole conversation with Han showing her knowledge of the ship. No non pilot could know the s*** she knows.
Plot holes are not the same as simply not liking something in a story.
Plot holes are not the same as simply not liking something in a story.
I have to disagree about Kylo vs Hayden, honestly Kylo is what Hayden should have been but the writing wasn't there nor was the acting ability. When I watch the prequels now I'm almost embarrassed by his performance. Kylo was conflicted about killing his father as he should have been, having someone just kill their dad and not care would have made Han's death seem sort of meaningless, there wouldn't have been any emotional build up toward it. I'm not saying it couldn't have been done better, I think most of us saw it coming a mile away but it was still far better than any attempt at drama in the prequels and the performances were stronger than most of the other "emotional" scenes in the entire series.
Kylo is goofy looking/acting(not even believable) and doesn't touch the emotion Hayden showed with Anny.
Oh and he needs to keep the helmet on.
Oh and he needs to keep the helmet on.
Hey, I never said she wasn't a pilot. And while that's really cool they made books to explain what J.J. Abrams's movie couldn't, why was she in utter shock of being be to fly the Millennium Falcon like a pro if she was so trained? And how did a scavenger living day to day end up magically being expert pilot and a master mechanic? Nothing adds up in the least bit.
It's easier to explain Luke's speedrun through the Death Star trenches then Rey's narley backflips across the desert.
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Driver was good. Hayden might be the worst actor of all time.
Nice troll attempt though.
Ok, I just re-read your post...you said she wasn't a skilled pilot, which was still false. She was a skilled pilot...she just never piloted the falcon.
How does it not add up? She's a scavenger, and she knows mechanics inside and out. They don't get into her story, the exclusion of her background doesn't mean she had no background.
How is it that it doesn't make sense for her....yet it makes sense that Luke, but a simple farm boy, is a skilled pilot, better than fighter pilots that were actually trained to fight?
Again, you miss the bigger picture, and keep ignoring what's dead in your face. Luke and anakin were natural pilots BECAUSE they were in tune with the force, even though they didn't know it. SAME with Rey. That big eyed alien even tells her that she knows she always felt it.
Just because you don't like it, or it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't make it a plot hole. Lucas had years of making stuff up along the way, and changing things along the way. What you're doing is creating confines to the story based on what you think it should or should not be like.
On Rey:
Even before flying:
So, in all reality, she was a more skilled pilot than Luke. Luke's experience had come from piloting a small ship hunting animals. Her experience came from flying all kinds of ships, even though some of them were just from flight simulators, bearing in mind that simulators is pretty much how pilots learn in star wars. It's how a bunch of terrorist learn to pilot large airplanes that flew into our buildings.
These are not the plot holes you're looking for, just elements of a story that you don't like.
Even before flying:
So, in all reality, she was a more skilled pilot than Luke. Luke's experience had come from piloting a small ship hunting animals. Her experience came from flying all kinds of ships, even though some of them were just from flight simulators, bearing in mind that simulators is pretty much how pilots learn in star wars. It's how a bunch of terrorist learn to pilot large airplanes that flew into our buildings.
These are not the plot holes you're looking for, just elements of a story that you don't like.
Being a scavenger and being a mechanic are two entirely different things. Scavenging can be done by any hobo out there, which is what she is. Scavenging all day every day just to put a 1/4 of a meal pouch on her plate to get by until tomorrow. And this same girl found the leisure and time to become an elite pilot and master mechanic. And Rey really didn't mean it when she said she had "no idea" how she did all those cool moves with the Millennium Falcon. It feels like Disney magic.
Her background skills have already been explained, keep ignoring it.
And yes, she had no idea how she did the crazy manuevering, as it came to her due to her being in touch with the force. The SAME way Luke was able to take down the deathstar with no targeting system AND the same way anakin was able to fly a fighter ship without ever flying a ship before. The same way Luke was able to use force pull even though he was never trained to do so (and not sure if he ever so Obie do it) while being in a compromised situation.
You sir, are under estimating the powers of the force. Do not under estimate the powers of the force.
By the way, if you have a problem with Rey using the force to without knowing it to pilot the falcon, blame Lucas, as he's the one that showed the world that anakin could also be a pilot using he force without knowing it, as a child.
Lucas is the one that set the stage for them to be natural pilots due to the force. If it doesn't make sense to you, talk to Lucas.
Lucas is the one that set the stage for them to be natural pilots due to the force. If it doesn't make sense to you, talk to Lucas.
So if you want to know how Rey goes from little orphan Annie to master mechanic/space pilot to penniless hobo, read the books. Because J.J. Abrams and his movie can't fill the holes.
The same way as Star Wars books had to fill the holes from a new hope. A new hope didn't give us much explanation into lukes experience as a pilot either.
Seeing as Lucas set the stage for force users having innate piloting skills, take it up with him.
And I'm done with the conversation, we're just going in circles. Seeing as you've failed to point out the plot hole using your definition of a plot hole (something that cannot be explained), I've come to realize that you're just trolling me, and I won't go back and forth knowing that.
Luke wasn't in Rey's extremely repressive and restrictive situation. It makes him a little less suspect. And what's sad too is that we got more of a explanation on Luke's skills than we ever got for hers.
You do realise a lot of this if not all will get explained in the next film when Luke explains the force to her and why she can do the things she did.
And again.... 0 holes
I would ignore him. He's obviously trolling. I spotted him as a troll once he said:
...because that could easily have read:
or
I wouldn't go down the path of entertaining a troll.
So there are plot holes, and you are promising me that they are going to make an entirely new movie to fill them. Whatever the explanation, it is going to be bonkers. Like "kid Anakin flying a Naboo fighter" bonkers.
So people who have issues with the movie are trolls now? I see the T word being thrown around.Same bs in the gaming sections some of you take entertainment way 2 serious.
Nope, you can hate the movie for all I care, but to claim elements are "plot holes" when they are not, considering they're in line with the previous movies, and stating it in way while ignoring similar in the older movies.....
Did you not read what I quoted? Taken into context, how do you not see it's trolling? keep up with the conversation. It's not about whether or not he liked the movie, but rather, calling out plot holes, when their were none, when taken into context of the story Lucas laid out. IE: saying Rey using the force to fly the falcon is a plot hole, when it's already been covered that not only was she a pilot, but a well trained pilot AND taking into consideration that Lucas already laid out the ground work for force users having innate piloting skills due to having the force. That's not a plot hole, that's simply part of the story. If you don't like the story or take issues with it, great...but if you're going to use the term plot holes, and claim the original didn't have plot holes because plot holes have no explanation, then you're kinda putting yourself in a corner when you don't hold the new movie to the same standard (there's an explanation for Rey, so, no plot hole).
Here's the thing with the story...it's all made up stuff, including A New Hope. Lucas made stuff up as he went along, it's all fiction. If you don't like the elements for what it is, fantastic. I didn't like Road Warrior while everyone else loved it, no biggie.
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My finger isn't pointed at just one.
I liked it but The movie isn't without flaws and people need to respect the criticisms it gets and for somebody to try and say it didn't have a bunch of holes that need filling or silly things like actors*cough* actresses that shouldn't be able to do certain things the way they did is a blind fanboy of the movie.(UNLESS they explain these things in a future movie)
I liked it but The movie isn't without flaws and people need to respect the criticisms it gets and for somebody to try and say it didn't have a bunch of holes that need filling or silly things like actors*cough* actresses that shouldn't be able to do certain things the way they did is a blind fanboy of the movie.(UNLESS they explain these things in a future movie)
I too think the movie had many flaws, but so did the older movies. That's my point. It has nothing to do with judging anyone based on their feelings about the movie, but to claim there are "holes" in the movie, and yet are blind to "holes" in the older movie, that's ignoring what's right in your face. That's why I said, if anyone takes issues with JJ having Rey do what she did, take that up with Lucas, as he's the one that laid that foundation.