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I have owned every gen of Xbox and will continue to do so as long as they make them. I have had Xbox Live for about as long as it has existed and I have gamepass. I have played more Xbox the past 20 years than Playstation and I have given them more money as well.

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I have owned every gen of Xbox and will continue to do so as long as they make them. I have had Xbox Live for about as long as it has existed and I have gamepass. I have played more Xbox the past 20 years than Playstation and I have given them more money as well.

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Sometimes I think it would be cool if they gave us badges for our profiles, kind of like the developers. I mean, Phil gets an Xbox Live launch team badge, but I’ve had my profile longer than him. An Xbox Live beta tester badge would be cool.
 
Sometimes I think it would be cool if they gave us badges for our profiles, kind of like the developers. I mean, Phil gets an Xbox Live launch team badge, but I’ve had my profile longer than him. An Xbox Live beta tester badge would be cool.

a day one badge for your avatar?
 
It feels like MS is treating the Series X like and upgrade like the One X rather than a new gen. Which, I guess is what they were saying. Still, the utter lack of next gen showings is stupefying. They've shown nothing of the toted power so far to wow us. I love the boost my old library is getting but c'mon...

All of this, and that goes for both systems.

The boosts are great, but for me not a reason to get it at launch.

If they don’t have a monster launch title (and neither of them do), then at least melt my face with what’s coming or what the system can do.

I’m really hoping the flimsy rumors of a gameplay event before launch (or possibly on launch day), are correct.
 
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I think it’s going to be very interesting to watch how this plays out, especially when other competitors come in like Amazon.

Sony doesn’t seem to be changing their plans from last generation, but will their ‘great exclusives’ approach be enough?

I feel it could potentially be a little like Blockbuster, when they were offered Netflix at the very beginning, but turned it down because they were huge, and their ‘studies’ showed that people really enjoyed the browsing process in person.
Why wouldn't it. MS's new studios are unproven. Most games from them are years away. Everybody hails Gamepass as a saviour for Xbox but MS only convinced 15 million people across 2 platforms to sign up. MS and Xbox still have a very long way to go.
 
Why wouldn't it. MS's new studios are unproven. Most games from them are years away. Everybody hails Gamepass as a saviour for Xbox but MS only convinced 15 million people across 2 platforms to sign up. MS and Xbox still have a very long way to go.

Because as previously stated, in the upcoming gen, it’s not just going to be MS, Sony, and Nintendo anymore.

According to a study I posted before, casuals make up 80% of gamers.

So while the approach worked perfectly this past gen, it’s going to be a different landscape going forwards. There will be far fiercer competition for the gaming audience overall

Having 1 or 2 huge titles a year might not be enough, especially if MS’s studios pan out. They now have 30 teams from 23 different studios working on games, and most of those studios have vastly greater budgets than they did before. This won’t pan out in the immediate future, but the rest of the gen will be vastly different for them game-wise, and they are planning on 1 AAA game per quarter.

Add to that MS’s shifting of focus to make games available on PC as well, and that makes it even more interesting.

I’m not saying Sony won’t ‘win’ this upcoming gen, I just think it’s going to be far closer, and there is a small chance they will get caught with their pants down within 2-3 years from now.

Or not.
 
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Why wouldn't it. MS's new studios are unproven. Most games from them are years away. Everybody hails Gamepass as a saviour for Xbox but MS only convinced 15 million people across 2 platforms to sign up. MS and Xbox still have a very long way to go.

Game Pass growth rate has significantly exceeded Netflix’s on a drastically smaller scale of devices. It took Netflix about 12 years to get 12.5 million subscribers. Now they didn’t offer streaming really until 2007, when they saw drastic increases. Still, if you consider 2007 to 2010, a three year period (the length of time since Game Pass launched), Netflix again gained 12.5 million subscribers, 2.5 million less than GP in it’s three year period.
 
All of this, and that goes for both systems.

The boosts are great, but for me not a reason to get it at launch.

If they don’t have a monster launch title (and neither of them do), then at least melt my face with what’s coming or what the system can do.

I’m really hoping the flimsy rumors of a gameplay event before launch (or possibly on launch day), are correct.
The boosts are the main reason I am getting a XSX at launch.
 
It feels like MS is treating the Series X like and upgrade like the One X rather than a new gen. Which, I guess is what they were saying. Still, the utter lack of next gen showings is stupefying. They've shown nothing of the toted power so far to wow us. I love the boost my old library is getting but c'mon...

They are treating it that way and it's because it's all they have to sell for the first 6 months. APIs were behind. It's why Sony is showing games with ray tracing and Microsoft isn't. Conversation will be much different in a few months but no doubt this will be one of the slowest "next gen" starts for a next gen system in terms of exclusives or visual boost at launch.

I think it’s going to be very interesting to watch how this plays out, especially when other competitors come in like Amazon.

Sony doesn’t seem to be changing their plans from last generation, but will their ‘great exclusives’ approach be enough?

I feel it could potentially be a little like Blockbuster, when they were offered Netflix at the very beginning, but turned it down because they were huge, and their ‘studies’ showed that people really enjoyed the browsing process in person.

I think Sony's great exclusives will be enough in the way HBOs great exclusives are enough. Less Blockbuster and more HBO in their future. They will get passed up in the next 5 to 10 years in terms of engagement and overall revenue. Whoever comes out on top of the subscriptions wars will be the Netflix. Sony doesn't have the infrastructure or ability to spend on content to keep up with that model and that model will win engagement.

All of this, and that goes for both systems.

The boosts are great, but for me not a reason to get it at launch.

If they don’t have a monster launch title (and neither of them do), then at least melt my face with what’s coming or what the system can do.

I’m really hoping the flimsy rumors of a gameplay event before launch (or possibly on launch day), are correct.

Yeah like I said with Froz above, the Series X is basically the One X for the first 6 months. Maybe the first year. Personally the instant resume, double frame rates and low load times make it worth $500 but I can understand why people will wait. It will likely be a year before there's a true AAA next gen exclusive.

Why wouldn't it. MS's new studios are unproven. Most games from them are years away. Everybody hails Gamepass as a saviour for Xbox but MS only convinced 15 million people across 2 platforms to sign up. MS and Xbox still have a very long way to go.

Based on previous cadences, Arkane Austin's next game, Starfield, and Wolfenstein 2 should be 2021 in addition to Halo. Not unproven studios. Even if covid pushes some back to early 2022, this isn't "years" away. There's over 20 AAA games in dev we know about. A huge 2nd party budget that we don't know anything about. More studios on the way. After Halo launches likely mid next year, there will be a steady stream of games on the horizon.

15 million Game Pass subscribers is excellent for a subscription service that's been out 3 years and has only been releasing day 1 games on it for 2 of them. It's only released 2 AAA day 1 games in it's lifespan on console. PC Game Pass just started receiving good content this year and just came out of beta. It's more than a savior. It's the reason for Xbox's existence and Nadella and Hood didn't sign off on a 7.5 billion dollar purchase with more to follow if they didn't believe their own rhetoric that this could be as big as Netflix.

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Game Pass growth rate has significantly exceeded Netflix’s on a drastically smaller scale of devices. It took Netflix about 12 years to get 12.5 million subscribers. Now they didn’t offer streaming really until 2007, when they saw drastic increases. Still, if you consider 2007 to 2010, a three year period (the length of time since Game Pass launched), Netflix again gained 12.5 million subscribers, 2.5 million less than GP in it’s three year period.
And none of that means jack.
 
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Which studios are unproven?
Virtually all of them under MS. If you want to go on past works alone then the MS exclusives simply wont hold up to its competitor. Hellblade 2, Fable, Avowed are the first products born under MS's leadership.

Even MS's long standing games have fell behind. Forza 7 was so bad it drove its big content creators to GT Sport. Halo Infinite didn't go down well either.

All I'm saying is Xbox still has a lot of work to do. Buying studios is great, but they have to generate top quality games and brand new IPs aswell. My worry is MS is so focused on GP streaming that they will go the quantity over quality route.
 
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Based on previous cadences, Arkane Austin's next game, Starfield, and Wolfenstein 2 should be 2021 in addition to Halo. Not unproven studios. Even if covid pushes some back to early 2022, this isn't "years" away. There's over 20 AAA games in dev we know about. A huge 2nd party budget that we don't know anything about. More studios on the way. After Halo launches likely mid next year, there will be a steady stream of games on the horizon.

15 million Game Pass subscribers is excellent for a subscription service that's been out 3 years and has only been releasing day 1 games on it for 2 of them. It's only released 2 AAA day 1 games in it's lifespan on console. PC Game Pass just started receiving good content this year and just came out of beta. It's more than a savior. It's the reason for Xbox's existence and Nadella and Hood didn't sign off on a 7.5 billion dollar purchase with more to follow if they didn't believe their own rhetoric that this could be as big as Netflix.
Never said it wasn't excellent. Still doesn't change the fact the supposed saviour and "best deal in gameing" only hooked a small amount of gamers across 2 platforms.

"Years away" was in reference to games made under MS. Starfield, Wolfy 2, etc are not what I'm talking about. MS has F' all to do with them.
 
And none of that means jack to me.

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It absolutely does mean “jack”. Netflix is probably the strongest barometer for them to measure against regarding Game Pass growth. MS is most certainly tracking it’s growth and feels it’s in a good place; GP has gained 5 million subscribers since April alone. They’ve invested billions in studios to curate content for the service. It looks like they’re finding a way to bring it to the iPhone despite Apple not being cooperative. I suspect that subs should rapidly increase soon.

Ironically, for those playing GP down, the service is the very thing that has stoked the fire at MS to address their game studios, and will likely be the catalyst for more original IP content out of MS studios.
 
Virtually all of them under MS. If you want to go on past works alone then the MS exclusives simply wont hold up to its competitor. Hellblade 2, Fable, Avowed are the first products born under MS's leadership.

Even MS's long standing games have fell behind. Forza 7 was so bad it drove its big content creators to GT Sport. Halo Infinite didn't go down well either.

All I'm saying is Xbox still has a lot of work to do. Buying studios is great, but they have to generate top quality games and brand new IPs aswell. My worry is MS is so focused on GP streaming that they will go the quantity over quality route.
GT Sport lost a TON of players to Forza 7 however. The release of GT Sport was dismal at best. At least that is my experience from being at GT Planet. A lot of detractors.
 
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Never said it wasn't excellent. Still doesn't change the fact the supposed saviour and "best deal in gameing" only hooked a small amount of gamers across 2 platforms.

"Years away" was in reference to games made under MS. Starfield, Wolfy 2, etc are not what I'm talking about. MS has F' all to do with them.

Best deal in gaming is trending up at a very good pace. If you disagree, take it up with Satya Nadella and Amy Hood. It's current trajectory has it hitting over 50 million subs by 2023. Way ahead of Netflix. At that point, it'll be a monster...at which time you'll forget you ever had this conversation with me (just like Jinca forgot he argued to death that Microsoft was only going to buy studios that were cheap AA Game Pass fodder). lol

Bethesda are Microsoft studios now. They dished out 7.5 billion dollars to make that claim. They have all the same benefits as any other 1st party Microsoft game.
 
Virtually all of them under MS. If you want to go on past works alone then the MS exclusives simply wont hold up to its competitor. Hellblade 2, Fable, Avowed are the first products born under MS's leadership.

Even MS's long standing games have fell behind. Forza 7 was so bad it drove its big content creators to GT Sport. Halo Infinite didn't go down well either.

All I'm saying is Xbox still has a lot of work to do. Buying studios is great, but they have to generate top quality games and brand new IPs aswell. My worry is MS is so focused on GP streaming that they will go the quantity over quality route.

That's pretty unrealistic to think that ID Software, Bethesda Softworks, Arkane Studios, and Obsidian are all going to fail to produce top quality games. New IPs should be out next year (Starfield etc.).
 
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It absolutely does mean “jack”. Netflix is probably the strongest barometer for them to measure against regarding Game Pass growth. MS is most certainly tracking it’s growth and feels it’s in a good place; GP has gained 5 million subscribers since April alone. They’ve invested billions in studios to curate content for the service. It looks like they’re finding a way to bring it to the iPhone despite Apple not being cooperative. I suspect that subs should rapidly increase soon.

Ironically, for those playing GP down, the service is the very thing that has stoked the fire at MS to address their game studios, and will likely be the catalyst for more original IP content out of MS studios.

It's funny listening to people on gaming forums argue so vehemently that everything Nadella and Hood say about gaming is wrong. That they should've noticed that 15 million Game Pass subscribers isn't good. If only the people making decisions to greenlight a 7.5 billion dollar purchase had the same business acumen to realize those stats weren't good before making the purchase. lol
 
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It absolutely does mean “jack”. Netflix is probably the strongest barometer for them to measure against regarding Game Pass growth. MS is most certainly tracking it’s growth and feels it’s in a good place; GP has gained 5 million subscribers since April alone. They’ve invested billions in studios to curate content for the service. It looks like they’re finding a way to bring it to the iPhone despite Apple not being cooperative. I suspect that subs should rapidly increase soon.

Ironically, for those playing GP down, the service is the very thing that has stoked the fire at MS to address their game studios, and will likely be the catalyst for more original IP content out of MS studios.
Doesn't mean jack s*** to what I said. Nowhere did I say growth was bad, and in no way, shape, or form does your comparison change the factual numbers. 15 million across 2 platforms. They can't even entice the majority of their current console install base. You lot like to overhype it as a saviour, but it is far, far from that. That doesn't mean it is a bad service, or poor value, or even that is a bad start. It simply has a long way to go.

Any word how it is doing on mobile? Launched like 2 months ago and they don't appear to be touting its performance.

It has a long way to go.
 
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