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It's funny listening to people on gaming forums argue so vehemently that everything Nadella and Hood say about gaming is wrong. That they should've noticed that 15 million Game Pass subscribers isn't good. If only the people making decisions to greenlight a 7.5 billion dollar purchase had the same business acumen to realize those stats weren't good before making the purchase. lol
Nobody said that, though.
 
That's pretty unrealistic to think that ID Software, Bethesda Softworks, Arkane Studios, and Obsidian are all going to fail to produce top quality games. New IPs should be out next year (Starfield etc.).
That isn't what i'm saying. We have no idea how these might be restructured, or how MS might impact them. That doesn't instantly mean "bad" things. I mean growing Beth Soft could lead to higher quality polish. Something Beth Soft aren't great at. Or MS could try and force MP in Skyrim. We just don't know. Which is the point.

I'm just saying these new studios are unproven under this new leadership. Avowed should be a good barometre compared to previous titles like Outerworlds and Pillars of eternity.
 
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Best deal in gaming is trending up at a very good pace. If you disagree, take it up with Satya Nadella and Amy Hood. It's current trajectory has it hitting over 50 million subs by 2023. Way ahead of Netflix. At that point, it'll be a monster...at which time you'll forget you ever had this conversation with me (just like Jinca forgot he argued to death that Microsoft was only going to buy studios that were cheap AA Game Pass fodder). lol

Bethesda are Microsoft studios now. They dished out 7.5 billion dollars to make that claim. They have all the same benefits as any other 1st party Microsoft game.
Never disagreed to begin with. So, yeah.
 
That isn't what i'm saying. We have no idea how these might be restructured, or how MS might impact them. That doesn't instantly mean "bad" things. I mean growing Beth Soft could lead to higher quality polish. Something Beth Soft aren't great at. Or MS could try and force MP in Skyrim. We just don't know. Which is the point.

I'm just saying these new studios are unproven under this new leadership. Avowed should be a good barometre compared to previous titles like Outerworlds and Pillars of eternity.

That's all pretty far fetched considering that MS actually needs them to make great games in order to sell Xbox Game Pass. The last thing they want to do is destroy the reputation of the studio.

Fallout 76, for example, was created because they (Robert Trump) wanted to be able to show potential buyers that they had consistent income. That was irrelevant to Microsoft. They ended up buying up the studio because they needed top quality exclusives. So there's no reason to try and force Bethesda to make a multi-player game.

If anything Fallout 76 shows you just how opposed to making multi-player games Bethesda Softworks truly is. They bought a little studio and pushed Fallout 76 on them rather than put multi-player in the new upcoming Starfield game.

Microsoft isn't going to come in overnight and destroy the culture of those studios. It's possible that might happen over the course of several years, but definitely not before this next console generation has passed.

I don't expect Obsidian to take too many risks with Avowed. They copied a pretty safe formula with The Outer Worlds and I expect them to do the same with their next game.
 
Doesn't mean jack s*** to what I said. Nowhere did I say growth was bad, and in no way, shape, or form does your comparison change the factual numbers. 15 million across 2 platforms. They can't even entice the majority of their current console install base. You lot like to overhype it as a saviour, but it is far, far from that. That doesn't mean it is a bad service, or poor value, or even that is a bad start. It simply has a long way to go.

Any word how it is doing on mobile? Launched like 2 months ago and they don't appear to be touting its performance.

It has a long way to go.

It takes time to build up mindshare and awareness to scale up to large numbers. 15 million today is great! Average gamer still doesn't know what Game Pass is. This is expected for a new service. It's not that they can't entice the majority of console gamers. Majority are unaware of it's value. As awareness grows, so will adoption. As adoption grows, so will awareness. That's how these business models work. They reach a tipping point in mindshare and the growth speeds up.
 
Doesn't mean jack s*** to what I said. Nowhere did I say growth was bad, and in no way, shape, or form does your comparison change the factual numbers. 15 million across 2 platforms. They can't even entice the majority of their current console install base. You lot like to overhype it as a saviour, but it is far, far from that. That doesn't mean it is a bad service, or poor value, or even that is a bad start. It simply has a long way to go.

Any word how it is doing on mobile? Launched like 2 months ago and they don't appear to be touting its performance.

It has a long way to go.

No, you just imply with words like only or redirect by making statements about enticing on their platforms. Of course they have a long way to go. I don’t think anyone doesn’t believe there is a need to grow their subscriber base. I think I’ve seen one post reference it as the “savior”. In your opinion, you may think it’s being overhyped or whatever, but the opposite is just as likely. Minimizing it’s current growth, accomplishment, and effect on MS’ strategy appears even more ridiculous, especially their doubling down on investment and efforts to add features and value. They’re clearly happy with how it’s tracking. I think some excitement for how well it’s done is warranted.

Not to start a versus discussion, but another way to look at it as well, Sony’s service has had much less growth on what everyone agrees is a much larger console base.
 
That isn't what i'm saying. We have no idea how these might be restructured, or how MS might impact them. That doesn't instantly mean "bad" things. I mean growing Beth Soft could lead to higher quality polish. Something Beth Soft aren't great at. Or MS could try and force MP in Skyrim. We just don't know. Which is the point.

I'm just saying these new studios are unproven under this new leadership. Avowed should be a good barometre compared to previous titles like Outerworlds and Pillars of eternity.
So you're just throwing s*** out there hoping it sticks.
 
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Lol at the people not doing their research about why Yakuza looks like that. Even the PC version is garbage.

1 game out of all the other ones being fine as of now doesn’t warrant an I told you so.
 


All hell broke loose when I said this would happen a few months back.


Shouldn't be controversial. It's all relative. Series X is a 4K machine. It will have 1440P and 1080P modes for people valuing frame rates. Series S is relatively a 1080P to 1440P machine. Will have sub 1080P game at high frame rate options.

These tools are also immature. SDKs aren't ready. We aren't seeing RDNA2 efficiencies yet. These consoles are operating like GCN PCs currently. There's a big gap between RDNA2 and GCN.

No use of hardware based DirectML, ray tracing, VRS, etc.

Check out Falconeer. 1800p native and 60fps on Series S. 1080p and 120fps. It’s pretty sexy and made by only one person. Yakuza devs are not very efficient.

Yakuza is an old engine that runs inefficiently on high end PC cards.
 
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Quick resume will be awesome, I can't count the number of times I get the text to jump on a multiplayer game then I do but the boys aren't even ready to play so I'm left waiting on the menu. Just bouncing between games till they're ready will be a nifty little feature.
 
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