I wouldn't discount the value of the higher res textures. IQ and texture quality are huge contributors in graphics.
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Oh I'm not discounting them at all but if you look at most Pro games the textures already look very good and the games run at higher than 1080p so the jump won't be as obvious as it would be if you are comparing the X1 to Scorpio which in reality is what should be done more often since it's the follow up to that console.
These aren't off the shelf parts, the CPU/GPU in the standard PS4 are already customized and the GPU in the Pro is even more so. Secondly the more time you take with something the more you'll be able to exploit it, that's how it has ALWAYS worked.
The reality is we probably won't, at least not while they are handcuffed to the older consoles. They'll improve on those games no doubt but they probably won't be fully exploited.
You can't do better textures with the Xbox Scorpio. You are forgetting the game has to fit on a bluray disc. Unless you really want a 50GB mandatory update just to get those textures.
I don't think the ps4 or pro are that customized, I've seen opinions on both sides and it mostly lean toward the customization isn't that heavy, its basically a PC, both pro and ps4. There's nothing exotic in there other than 16bit, which has been around for years anyway.
Give it up, you want to talk up Scorpio like it's the 2nd coming sometimes and then you call the PS4 off the shelf parts. I get it, you are really looking forward to the console and I can tell you want it to be amazing and that's fine and for your sake I hope it is. This isn't worth discussing with you anymore though.
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The HD texture update for Fallout 4 was around 50GB right? I know that's considered a bit much compared to most games but you are right it is going to take up more space regardless of what anyone thinks, maybe not usually 50GB but people will still probably need fairly large patches if it doesn't fit on the disc. Not only that but when you look at a game like Hoirzon where most of the textures look really good it's hard to imagine them getting much better. You can only make a tree look so much like a tree before it stops looking anymore like a tree lol.
Yeah, Fallout 4 texture pack for PC was 50GB. And that's for a game that reuses textures constantly and repeatedly throughout the game world. If a game like Killzone had a texture pack like that, it could easily be over 200GB of textures alone. And to add salt to the wound, here's what journalists had to say about Fallout's texture pack.
Fallout 4 High Res Pack Doesnt Make A Huge Difference
So yeah, games like Horizon are just fine. I really want better textures always, but it's not anything to cry bloody murder over.
When in REALITY its comparable(but a bit weaker) to a RX 580 which is a 1080p/1440p marketed card and comparable to a mid low end Gaming PC.
Shouldn't be surprising cause the Pro is doing 1440p in many games.
My biggest wish is LOD pushed out further but when I see games like The Witcher 3 running on the highest end PC cards and they still have pop up in Novigrad from one side of a market place to the other it brings me down lol.
No one said the Scorpio was the second coming, its just a better performing, better media device, better sounding machine. Sorry that hurts feelings? No one said it was crazy better than pro. Did you not watch the DF about scorpio, show me a vid about pro where they talk about pro/ps4/xb1 like that.
Don't be offended about off the shelf parts? Whats wrong with that?
Post where I said scorpio was the second coming, you've back yourself into a corner here. Where has anyone even stated it'd be a 100% 4k machine? I even made a thread about it, no one is even saying anything crazy. I think the real issue is your upset over it because its ps4 pro 2.0 in every way. You sound insulted like you helped design pro or that you bought a 4k media player.
LOL I have said dozens of times that Scoprio is going to be the most powerful console when it comes out, how would you saying that hurt anyone's feelings? The DF video is a silly thing to bring up, nobody else has given them a scoop like that either or invited them in to talk about hardware that early so of course they are going to go into detail, it drives traffic on the site.
There are people on this forum who say Scorpio is a next gen machine, I've read some saying they expect Ultra settings at 4K (not happening) and some that think 30 fps games will be 60 fps on the Scorpio. Many of those people were also talking up Zen being in scorpio and argued up and down that's what it was going to be, when it wasn't it became "oh the customization" and when it's pointed out to them all consoles used customized hardware it becomes a debate over how much more etc. The fact is the PS4/Pro are not off the shelf parts as YOU said they were, neither are the parts in the X1 or Scorpio. I'm not offended by you saying that by the way but you are dead wrong when you say it.
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Surprisingly, the reason for Witcher 3 having LOD issues on PC is because there is only one LOD setting across all platform due to the nature of how they baked it in. It's been one of the major complaints amongst pc gamers as they see it as consoles yet again holding the platform back. But yeah, LOD makes a huge difference. Just look at what it does to a ten-year-old game engine.
Where are all these phantom posters expecting god tier everything ultra 4k. lol. We even had a thread about it. http://unionvgf.com/index.php?threa...rpio-will-hit-native-4k-for-all-games.156588/
Are you saying DF is lying? Making up things about customization so that when the console releases they will be absent suddenly? Or those heavy customizations were never real? Explain yourself in detail and give links to evidence of this. DF will be forced to explain it, is it smarter to lie now and gain attention or be exposed later and lose all credibility. Doesn't make sense and neither do you. You want DF or someone else to tell you how heavily customized pro is, but there isn't one, not like that, because ps4/pro are basically off the shelf parts, if you or valliance can show me a vid or facts from a 3rd party that showcases how heavily modded pro is for gaming, then I invite it.
MS went to DF so that a third party could show the hardcore, lol at it being fake.
Read Cerny's post and MS's about their respective hardware, almost all of sony's comments are more about making all the games run better than ps4, not specific hardware upgrades to both cpu/gpu/RAM to eliminate bottlenecks and push high end gaming, its more about checkerboard and hitting a mid range to fake high end techniques, upclocking cpu, and mirroring the gpu whereas MS is very custom to achieve performance. It's a very different strategy. For every sentence you can find about pro custom cpu/gpu customizations, you can find 3-4x that about Scorpio.
Better sounding? What Pro's sound chip is capable of hasn't been touched on AFAIK.
If Pro is using off the shelf parts..so is Scorpio.
But truth is BOTH are using custom parts.
Jinca like me play games 1st with graphics being the bonus. Scorpio still has a game problem.
Even if it was 5X the Pro it still needs games for the GAMERS.
I don't trust them much anymore.
Getting a WORLD PREMIER showing of Scorpio DF couldn't be more giddy.
Hence the super positive talk from them.
Getting a WORLD PREMIER showing of Scorpio DF couldn't be more giddy.
Hence the super positive talk from them.
haha, we're all multiplatformer gamers here anyway right? Nothing wrong with Xbox having advantages. Scorpio is using off the shelf parts, just heavily customized unlike pro, not that pro is an exact PC, never said that.
lol you don't trust DF since they gave positive MS news. How do you lie about those things when launches Scorpio and others teardowns though? It doesn't make sense. Does scorpio have a hidden explosive if you crack it open or what? Its just crazy to try to imagine DF is making up spec customization when others will crack it open. It's a total BS excuse by you and others not to give MS credit.
How does one claim the Scorpio is better sounding? Innovation in sounds chips died a decade ago after that frontier was already conquered. HD sound is not new. Is any of this information available or is someone just lying to defend the Xbox? And how does someone claim the PS4 isnt as customized as the Xbox Scorpio?
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Yes we are and we both know Xbox has been hurting in the exclusives department.
I see no advantages from Scorpio on the gaming front besides potentially better versions of 3rd party games but even than with both being similar in power plus parity... I don't expect many differences at all.
Pro's are heavily customized just as much if not more so hence it being able to do 8.4 TF's in FP 16 mode unlike the Scorpio. No I don't trust DF fully and haven't in awhile and gave reasons why they were overexcited for a mid/low range PC equivalent console. We know the Specs and last year when announced I told everyone 6TF's isn't much and far from what is needed to run HQ/High performance *COUGH* True 4K games. Now the RX 580 releases its a tad bit better than the Scorpio, is slower than a 980ti and aimed for 1080p/1440p high performance gaming and this is right from AMD's mouth.(benchmarks say its better suited for Ultra settings 1080p 60+ FPS)
I like how your optimistic about pro's secret sauce(which you joked about before) yet we've seen nothing close to an 8.4tf box, not even close. I've read up on it, its an old method being rehashed. Its used for very small things like hair works and slight performance gains. However, MS has been very detailed about their CPU/GPU customization to eliminate bottlenecks and you have zero faith? We haven't even seen it put to the test.
Were you even paying attention to see how Xbox one emulated 360 games on a different architecture?
They got performance gains out of it and were praised throughout for their engineering, which they are masters at. Now we have a system designed from the ground up to limit bottlenecking(which is exactly what emulating can be) and there's zero faith? Even with way more RAM, Faster RAM, better cpu/gpu? There's more going on than just you being negative about every single elment here by chance. You want it to fail, I can tell by the way you are posting.
You're crazy to think scorpio games won't outperform pro, but then again, I think its just hope. Oh and sony exclusives? Just buy a dirt cheap ps4 and call it a day/scorpio for multiplatforms.
Btw is there a new parity clause now? ps4 pro and scorpio, then another one for xb1 vs ps4? All these secret parities!! Btw, the parity clause sucked for MS, ps4 games dominated xb1, I expect even worse with scorpio, a system with more customization and more powerful all the way around than its rival, unlike ps4>xb1.
Still waiting for a true 3rd party article about pro's supposed customization other than the old 16bit tech. Where are the articles about this cpu and gpu?
Who is pushing that 8.4 TF crap? and also as long as you qualify it with the 16bit thing it's true but that's not how games are made, in reality it's a 4.2 tf console.
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This has gone from funny to sad, I NEVER said DF is lying nor did I imply it. They got a scoop on a console that was announced way too early and knew it would drive traffic to the site so they stretched it out that's it. It was also smart of MS to try to cut off the Ryzen talk because the fanboys were working themselves up in a frenzy over the CPU that was NEVER going to be in the console and anyone with an ounce of common sense knew it.
Why do I care how many more sentences I can find about Pro/Scorpio customizations, they are BOTH CUSTOMIZED and I'm tired of repeating the same crap back and forth with you.
Ok Jinca, why are you replying if it's so "sad?" You've said twice now you were done, what force is pulling back?
lol, both are customized = same. I know you watched that DF video, nothing like that was done to pro in terms of attacking bottlenecks. Not even close actually. Well it turn out to be BS marketing by MS? It's possible, but thats not my point at all. If you customize a car from scratch that is specific for drag racing, I'm going to have trouble beating you if I haven't done as much customization for drag racing.
I see bf1/dice using and talking about it.
Let's see... A 4.2 TF's GPU gaining around 30%(I know it's not double) seems exactly like what we get with bf1 on the Pro. 30% gains with tacked on examples like bf1 is nothing to overlook and who's to say more gains can't be achieved by other devs when they get more time?
I know it's bothering you (2 much) but I never said Scorpio isn't more powerful than Pro.
I don't think it will be that noticeably better,I do think Pro will still put out comparable and sometimes better looking games(not better versions) I do think that 4.2 to 8.4=30%(+?) that devs can work with could help like it does with bf1. Pro and Scorpio are weak one has a paper advantage on the other...one is a generation jump over its weaker predecessor both are mid gen refreshes.
Much of what you said I won't touch on and don't have a clue what the point is???
Day one for Scorpio but while I wait I play True ultra settings 4k/60+ fps games like Gears 4 on my PC and I realistically expect much less from my Scorpio..regardless of the overhype some have.