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It's kind of embarrassing how some gamers pretend the 1X isn't a true 4K machine when we all know it powerful enough to do so. Even the media is doing it. We all received the same information, we've all seen the games that we be 4K/60 or 4K/30 or maybe even checker boarding with increased assets. It's all up to the devs.

But to have seen so many arm chair devs chime in on what's possible with 6TF, increased memory etc, knowing full well this is the most powerful console ever made (not exaggerating one bit) but now pretend it's all a farce (for whatever reason) is just.... Fuking nuts. Mark Cerny said it would take at least 8TF for native 4K. He was wrong. I'm genuinely curious as to why so many have a problem with this product. Denying in your face facts goes beyond my level of understanding ignorance of this nature.
 
VaLLiancE said:
It can do 4K in some cases who said it couldn't?
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Yep, it's a 4K possible machine not a true 4K machine, saying true 4K implies that all games will be native 4K. It doesn't matter, it'll still have great looking games but people get so offended when others don't fall for the marketing BS these companies put out. There are native 4K games on the Pro but I wouldn't call it a true 4K machine, the vast majority of games aren't 4K and that will always be the case but some devs have done a good enough job with CB etc that it makes it hard to tell the difference.

I'm sure the One X will do an even better job of blurring the line between faux K and native 4K but nobody should be fooling themselves about what it's capabilities really are, just be happy that it's the most powerful console that'll be on the market for at least a couple of years.
 
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Mcmasters said:
It's kind of embarrassing how some gamers pretend the 1X isn't a true 4K machine when we all know it powerful enough to do so. Even the media is doing it. We all received the same information, we've all seen the games that we be 4K/60 or 4K/30 or maybe even checker boarding with increased assets. It's all up to the devs.

But to have seen so many arm chair devs chime in on what's possible with 6TF, increased memory etc, knowing full well this is the most powerful console ever made (not exaggerating one bit) but now pretend it's all a farce (for whatever reason) is just.... Fuking nuts. Mark Cerny said it would take at least 8TF for native 4K. He was wrong. I'm genuinely curious as to why so many have a problem with this product. Denying in your face facts goes beyond my level of understanding ignorance of this nature.
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He said it would be at least 8TF for native 4K games meaning all games to be in native 4K not just some here and there, hell the Pro has them too but he isn't calling that a 4K machine.
 
Many have the Pro and the fact is that box, along with maybe marketing agreements, are holding the XOX back. Just look at Destiny 2 as an example. Support those games with actual money those who do an honest effort with the better hardware.
 
Watched some more Forza footage. Man, that game looks quite stunning! I really wish they had another studio of that caliber.
 
JinCA said:
Yep, it's a 4K possible machine not a true 4K machine, saying true 4K implies that all games will be native 4K. It doesn't matter, it'll still have great looking games but people get so offended when others don't fall for the marketing BS these companies put out. There are native 4K games on the Pro but I wouldn't call it a true 4K machine, the vast majority of games aren't 4K and that will always be the case but some devs have done a good enough job with CB etc that it makes it hard to tell the difference.

I'm sure the One X will do an even better job of blurring the line between faux K and native 4K but nobody should be fooling themselves about what it's capabilities really are, just be happy that it's the most powerful console that'll be on the market for at least a couple of years.
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Yup. Bulls*** statement here Jinca. The X1 is DEFINITELY powerful enough. That can't be denied. If devs decide to prioritize other bullet points while in development, that's on them. That doesn't take away from the fact that the box is a true 4K machine, PERIOD. Can't blame the box if the devs aren't willing, dude.
 
Mcmasters said:
Yup. Bulls*** statement here Jinca. The X1 is DEFINITELY powerful enough. That can't be denied. If devs decide to prioritize other bullet points while in development, that's on them. That doesn't take away from the fact that the box is a true 4K machine, PERIOD. Can't blame the box if the devs aren't willing, dude.
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Powerful enough but so is the other console.
Neither are powerful to have 4K in every game.
 
JinCA said:
Yep, it's a 4K possible machine not a true 4K machine, saying true 4K implies that all games will be native 4K. It doesn't matter, it'll still have great looking games but people get so offended when others don't fall for the marketing BS these companies put out. There are native 4K games on the Pro but I wouldn't call it a true 4K machine, the vast majority of games aren't 4K and that will always be the case but some devs have done a good enough job with CB etc that it makes it hard to tell the difference.

I'm sure the One X will do an even better job of blurring the line between faux K and native 4K but nobody should be fooling themselves about what it's capabilities really are, just be happy that it's the most powerful console that'll be on the market for at least a couple of years.
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Exactly and we should be closer than ever to true 4K with X as I expect most exclusives to run at 4K and being stronger helps but this gen won't have across the board 4k.
8TF's like Mark Pervy claimed wouldn't be enough either.
 
JinCA said:
He said it would be at least 8TF for native 4K games meaning all games to be in native 4K not just some here and there, hell the Pro has them too but he isn't calling that a 4K machine.
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He could've said 12tf for all I care. The X1 is a true 4K machine. If devs want to use the power in other ways, that's their prerogative. Doesn't change the fact that the power is definitely there. Why keep blaming MS when they delivered EXACTLY what they said they would? They just aren't mandating that every game be 4K - as well they shouldn't. This is light weight, fanboy propaganda coming from you. You know better than this. You're just looking for some way to shoot holes in the power of the X1, and it's petty, AF. The Pro comes up short - real short. It's obsolete as it stands now. That's a tough pill to swallow - I get it. But to deny plain and simple facts falls into the realm of dillusionals.
 
VaLLiancE said:
Powerful enough but so is the other console.
Neither are powerful to have 4K in every game.
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This is bulls*** too. Again (for the 1000th) time, the power is there in spades. It's up to the devs in how to utilize that power. Even with more powerful hardware in the future, 8tf, 10tf, 12tf etc, there won't ever be a time where EVERY game will be at max resolution - especially if devs have something else in mind when it comes what to prioritize while developing.
 
VaLLiancE said:
Powerful enough but so is the other console.
Neither are powerful to have 4K in every game.
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The other console isn't. Keep it straight, man. That's just facts. What you're attempting to do is put Pro on the same level as X1. It isn't, it just isn't. Not even close. Pro is outmatched by a huge margin. Some 50% difference in power. Nothing like X1 and PS4, where that number results in differences in resolution. We're talking about resolution, performance, assets, load times etc, across ALL games. Exclusives and others. I wonder what you'll say when the comparison videos start showing real, marginal differences between the X1 and Pro? That day is coming, soon. Better get your chits with appropriate responses ready. You'll need them.
 
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Mcmasters said:
Yup. Bulls*** statement here Jinca. The X1 is DEFINITELY powerful enough. That can't be denied. If devs decide to prioritize other bullet points while in development, that's on them. That doesn't take away from the fact that the box is a true 4K machine, PERIOD. Can't blame the box if the devs aren't willing, dude.
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The PS4 Pro is "powerful enough" to have 4K games too, it's not a true 4K machine though and neither is the One X, it's just closer to it. Like Val said 8TF probably wouldn't even be enough. We will never agree on this so there is no point in discussing it further and derailing the thread.
 
JinCA said:
The PS4 Pro is "powerful enough" to have 4K games too, it's not a true 4K machine though and neither is the One X, it's just closer to it. Like Val said 8TF probably wouldn't even be enough. We will never agree on this so there is no point in discussing it further and derailing the thread.
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Then stop bulls***tin yourself and just admit that the console is PLENTY powerful enough and is a true 4K machine. Again, I expect yours and Val narrative to change greatly when the comparisons start showing up.
 
Mcmasters said:
He could've said 12tf for all I care. The X1 is a true 4K machine. If devs want to use the power in other ways, that's their prerogative. Doesn't change the fact that the power is definitely there. Why keep blaming MS when they delivered EXACTLY what they said they would? They just aren't mandating that every game be 4K - as well they shouldn't. This is light weight, fanboy propaganda coming from you. You know better than this. You're just looking for some way to shoot holes in the power of the X1, and it's petty, AF. The Pro comes up short - real short. It's obsolete as it stands now. That's a tough pill to swallow - I get it. But to deny plain and simple facts falls into the realm of dillusionals.
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I'm not blaming MS at all, at least not for the power of the machine, the One X is clearly the most powerful console that could have been made this year and still be at an even semi reasonable price. I blame them for marketing BS but all companies trying to sell a product do that, it's nothing unique to them. The fact that you keep falling back to this "oh you can't take that it's more powerful than the Pro" nonsense is sad, I have NO problem with reality but you do. I'm buying an X1X day one, I have NO problem with it being more powerful than the Pro but I am not going to fool myself into thinking it's a machine that'll be capable of doing all games in native 4K. You point out devs sacrificing resolution for the sake of other things, well if it was strong enough to do native 4K for everything they wouldn't need to make those sacrifices. It is the most powerful console and will be until Sony puts something out later on and that's totally fine, I can buy it just like you can so why the hell would I have a hard time accepting it's stronger than the Pro? any idiot knows 6 is more than 4.2 or that 12 is more than 8 lol.
 
Mcmasters said:
Then stop bulls***tin yourself and just admit that the console is PLENTY powerful enough and is a true 4K machine. Again, I expect yours and Val narrative to change greatly when the comparisons start showing up.
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You mean the comparisons about which one does better checker boarding? LOL that's enough of this crap, I'm getting it and so are you. Continue living in your fantasyland if that makes you happy but don't get all upset when people don't agree with you.
 
JinCA said:
I'm not blaming MS at all, at least not for the power of the machine, the One X is clearly the most powerful console that could have been made this year and still be at an even semi reasonable price. I blame them for marketing BS but all companies trying to sell a product do that, it's nothing unique to them. The fact that you keep falling back to this "oh you can't take that it's more powerful than the Pro" nonsense is sad, I have NO problem with reality but you do. I'm buying an X1X day one, I have NO problem with it being more powerful than the Pro but I am not going to fool myself into thinking it's a machine that'll be capable of doing all games in native 4K. You point out devs sacrificing resolution for the sake of other things, well if it was strong enough to do native 4K for everything they wouldn't need to make those sacrifices. It is the most powerful console and will be until Sony puts something out later on and that's totally fine, I can buy it just like you can so why the hell would I have a hard time accepting it's stronger than the Pro? any idiot knows 6 is more than 4.2 or that 12 is more than 8 lol.
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We'll, s***. It's a good thing you aren't going to fool yourself into thinking that all games will be 4K, seeing as how Phil said devs can use the power any way they want. That in itself says not all games will be 4K. You're quick. lol
 
JinCA said:
You mean the comparisons about which one does better checker boarding? LOL that's enough of this crap, I'm getting it and so are you. Continue living in your fantasyland if that makes you happy but don't get all upset when people don't agree with you.
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No fantasy land crap and you know it. I'm stating facts.. We'll leave it here but, when the comparison videos show true, discernable differences, we'll see what you say then..
 
Mcmasters said:
The other console isn't. Keep it straight, man. That's just facts. What you're attempting to do is put Pro on the same level as X1. It isn't, it just isn't. Not even close. Pro is outmatched by a huge margin. Some 50% difference in power. Nothing like X1 and PS4, where that number results in differences in resolution. We're talking about resolution, performance, assets, load times etc, across ALL games. Exclusives and others. I wonder what you'll say when the comparison videos start showing real, marginal differences between the X1 and Pro? That day is coming, soon. Better get your chits with appropriate responses ready. You'll need them.
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What? Yes it is...I have some 4K games and theirs games beside them that are true 4k.
43% difference in power. Slightly Lower of a difference than the XBO and PS4.
 
Mcmasters said:
This is bulls*** too. Again (for the 1000th) time, the power is there in spades. It's up to the devs in how to utilize that power. Even with more powerful hardware in the future, 8tf, 10tf, 12tf etc, there won't ever be a time where EVERY game will be at max resolution - especially if devs have something else in mind when it comes what to prioritize while developing.
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Power to run 4K in every game isn't there and if it was all devs would be making TRUE 4K games but we know reports already are coming out that X is using a form of CB rendering and ASScreed is identical on both.
3rd party games are much more demanding than the XBO exclusives.
with a 10-12 TF console... 4K will be used across the board.
 
Look we just need to understand the limitations of what x1x can do with only 6tf. The pro matching it "pretty much" with 2/3 of the power is pretty @#$€ing hilarious. What is even funnier it is coming from the folks who attempted to make a mountain of the mole hill difference between xb1 and ps4 in comparison.
 
Didn't DF run forza6 @ 4k with little optimization for x1x and the system was taxed about 60%? Then they ran it with all pc settings @ full tilt with all car models rendered as heavily as your vehicle (something they would never do on a console) to tax the system and it was @ 90% 4k?
 
In a way, I like the idea of CB for X1X, they can use the massive power difference for higher settings and maintain higher res in dynamic scaling games.
 
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In a way, I like the idea of CB for X1X, they can use the massive power difference for higher settings and maintain higher res in dynamic scaling games.
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Yes and if they do it will greater distance itself from other consoles.
Maybe we can get some Ultra settings by doing this.
 
VaLLiancE said:
Yes and if they do it will greater distance itself from other consoles.
Maybe we can get some Ultra settings by doing this.
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Why not? Maybe even hi res textures too. Ultra + hi res textures alone at 1800 CB will look really good. The RAM is there.
 
Plainview said:
You asked if there will be true 4K this November, for whatever reason, and the answer is yes, there will be.
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It's starting to get really old that VaLLiancE continues to be allowed to post in a One X forum as a resident troll. As much as 90% of what he says doesn't bother me but he is turning this thread into a "PS4 Pro is better as it's $100 cheaper" one man campaign.

Plainview can you and mods not do something about this?
 
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Rollins Have you heard anything in the design of the OneX that will increase the Tflops? I am asking as it's been going around in my mind how much they reserved for future improvements? Like the release of the extra 1GB for RAM what else have they held back on??

Also do you have any news to get the thread back on track?
 
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Rollins Have you heard anything in the design of the OneX that will increase the Tflops? I am asking as it's been going around in my mind how much they reserved for future improvements? Like the release of the extra 1GB for RAM what else have they held back on??

Also do you have any news to get the thread back on track?
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Nothing yet but I'm pretty sure the main guy I talk to will have some new stuff soon...hopefully this week.

 
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