Framerate is a much, much bigger deal than resolution in my opinion. Minor differences in resolution between say 900 and 1080p are nothing, but the difference between 30 and 60 fps is huge. 60fps should be standard on both consoles at this point.
Drive Club 30 fps vs. Forza 60 fps discussions
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I honestly think he may be bi polar or something. Either that or like someone has mentioned it might be Broanna or something. Personality changes and mental breakdowns are a normal occurrence.
Well we agree for once lol, and that demand some have for everything to be 60 fps and 1080p all the time is childish, if the people that kept demanding that got what they wanted a lot of the games would just look like slightly prettier versions of what we've been playing for the past 8 years and I doubt most people really want that. A developer makes the choice on what they want to focus on and then they go from there, if high end graphics are what they really want than 60 fps is not going to be a priority.
I agree. Clearly, they had to cut corners in order to get the game to work on the PS4. I would take 60fps over 30fps any day and take a hit on resolution. However, the developers have a goal in mind for art, and that is what they want in their game. I applaud that. The consoles are limited in power this gen, so they need a happy medium.
It IS moving goalposts.
We have had months of people bringing up 'LOL....derp derp, the Xb1 is 30fps! PS4 is 60fps derp derp 60>30' now that both consoles have an EXCLUSIVE racer (lets not kid ourselves here...if this is an exclusive title the devs have access to all the updated SDK's and such) BOTH games should be hitting 60fps @ 1080p regardless. This is even more so on the PS4 which has the better hardware.
All of a sudden it is okay for the more powerful hardware to have the more inferior racer. Does that make any sense to you? Not to me. You can tell me it is 'developer choice' all you want but at the end of the day 60fps in a RACING game of any genre is better than 30fps.
It is hilarious. You apologists are in effect saying that 'Drive Club couldn't be both good looking and 60fps' yet some of you are the same folks that want to point out that 'Forza 5 is 1080p/60fps but looks worse'.
Well....it looks worse because technically it is doing more and is superior. No matter the graphics disparity.
Its about next gen experiences to me and that entails much, much more than resolution and frame rates. This gen, the developers are more in control of their own creations and frame rates and resolution (at least to me) are more creative decisions than they are technical ones with these new consoles. Everyone who's been downplaying one version of game because of two trivial differences, cant seriously be about the games, because those who care about the games will judge each one based on what that particular games does for them as far as entertainment goes, on its own merit and as a whole.
Since the beginning of this generation, a lot of gamers havent even "played" the games yet. They've been playing and paying $60 for a bunch of numbers they dont really understand, or how they truly operate in the first place when it comes to game development. The whole purpose of why we play games to begin with has been lost on menial matters. While gaming has moved forward, games have been moving backwards. Its a tragedy, really.
Games that get downplayed are more about the platform they are on than the game, most of this has been because people keep wanting to pretend that the weaker platform is somehow not weaker. I can see people comparing two different versions of the same game when one platform outperforms the other, it really makes no sense to compare two totally different games though. At the end of the day none of it makes a difference anyway, we've all purchased the console we wanted (well except for you lol) and that's what we'll be playing on.
To be frank.....I'm not jumping on you JinCA.
I actually like the PS4 platform more than the Xbox 1. I own neither and am a PC gamer through and through.
I just find the general hypocrisy to be awe inspiring.
I actually like the PS4 platform more than the Xbox 1. I own neither and am a PC gamer through and through.
I just find the general hypocrisy to be awe inspiring.
That really is a silly post, you are comparing two totally different games where the devs had two totally different ideas of what they wanted to achieve. DC they want to push the graphics more, F5 they wanted to push other things more so the two devs made different choices for their games. DC could be good looking and 1080p/60fps but would it look as good as the developer wanted? obviously not or they would have gone with it. They wanted more detailed cars during gameplay, better looking environments and global illumination among other things. BTW most of the comparisons going on have been about the same games on two different platforms, one of which has clearly had the inferior versions of those games, that is NOT the same thing as comparing two different games that are not trying to achieve the same things.
Wow!
Buuuuuuut, this is Vik. So not so much shock and awe from how r******d this post is. Rather, more shock and awe that this kind mentality can actually go a few steps lower than normal. Im scratching my head at this point and thats a hard thing for anyone to get from me, Vik! Great job!
I'm not taking it personally don't worry
and I could see where you were coming from if we were comparing the same game across both platforms but these are two different games that are focused on different things.
I would rather see a game cut the res to 900p and blow me away with effects, physics, FPS rather than try to brute force its way to 1080p sacrificing those things just to beat their chest.
Make it run visually how you want, and as fast as you want. Ignore the damn bullet points and e-peen waving devs.
Make it run visually how you want, and as fast as you want. Ignore the damn bullet points and e-peen waving devs.
But you cant deny how a first party game, on the "alleged" most powerful console this gen, with one year more of development time, still only accomplishes half the frame rate of another first party title, on a competing console and franchise that released a year before. It IS moving the goal posts, Jinca. Plain and simple dude.
Once again they never targeted 60fps for this game to begin with, they were more about pushing the graphics, more powerful hardware or not there are still limits to what can be done. I'd much rather have a game that's a rock solid 30 fps and has better graphics than one that's still got cardboard cut out trees and people but running at 60 fps, maybe that's just me. In a perfect world we could have both amazing graphics all the time and 1080p/ 60fps and in the future maybe we'll see more of that but in general when a dev wants to push the eye candy you are going to see the game targeted at 30 fps.
Also you need to drop that alleged nonsense, it is more powerful even if it's not your favorite.
To me. In a racing game....the better the framerate the more immersive it is.
60fps moves faster than 30fps.
They may be different styles of games but they are both in the same genre.
It really isn't a silly post. It seems to me you are making more excuses as to why it isn't '60fps' on PS4. It should be. We are in 2014....most racing games regardless of style should be IMHO.
Anyway....I see this conversation is going nowhere.
I'm sure DC will look great, but as it stands from a TECHNICAL point of view Forza 5 is already superior in my eyes. It may not look leagues better, but it looks okay AND operates at double the framerate. This cannot be argued.
Nobody would try to argue it's double the framerate, why would they? lol It's cool that to you a racing game has to be 60 fps, to me they don't. Would it be great if they could get the same visuals they are going for in DC and still get 60 fps? sure but they aren't able to do that now. Honestly I'd much rather Forza 5 looked better and ran at 30, it still has all of the graphical issues that bothered me with racing games last gen.
It doesnt matter. The whole console warz this generation comes down to "power". With the 4 supposedly being the most powerful console of this generation, the easiest to code for, and allegedly (according to 4 gamers) with res and FPS being the shining beacon of hardware prowess this generation, at this point, there is no reason this game shouldnt be 60FPS. Especially when you consider this is a first party dev, with more development time. 4 gamers have been clowning on X1 gamers this entire time because of the same situation. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, it doesnt taste so good now, no matter how much salt is added And there happens to be a lot in this thread.
Sure the 4 is more powerful. But in this instance, its not showing it against the competition. X1 gamers could easily claim the 4 isnt as powerful as we once thought, and would be completely in zone for doing so. Because on the other end of that spectrum, this type of situation on the X1 would be heralded as a showing of hardware prowess, or lack thereof. Again, this is with one more year of dev time, with first party devs no less. Regardless, with all the hype surrounding the 4 this generation, and all the crap spewed about how much better Sony devs and hardware are compared to the competition, this is one for the books!
People are simply saying that the goal posts have been moved and they're right for doing so.
I can agree with you MW to an extent.
Last gen I was more okay with it. This gen not so much.
At this stage in the game with these consoles they both should have racing games hitting 60fps most of the time.
I don't know....maybe it is because I'm so used to PC racers being 60fps or more all the time.
I fully expect DC to look better than Forza 5 but again it can't be argued that Forza is doing more @ double the frames. What exactly besides prettier graphics is DC bringing?
Do they have a just as complex physics engine running full time in the background? Tire deformation? etc?
Not sure how anyone would know if it is prettier or not, as we haven't seen gameplay yet.
Good point.
I'm just going off an educated guess. If the game is 30fps and doesn't have a viable physics engine in anyway and is just going for the 'graphical wow' factor.
Chances are it looks better than Forza 5. Also it has the benefit of being on more powerful hardware.
All of that points to it looking better. Hell it damn well better.