Europe - In or Out
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Technically speaking the referendum itself is not legally binding. As D-V-ANT said article 50 needs to be invoked. In theory we are not legally obligated to go through with Brexit. So yes, it can be ignored but no one will want to do that since the 'people have spoken'. Unless...there is a new general election and the party manifesto is to remain in EU and they win.
Yes, basically that's correct.
What might happen now is the new Prime Minister might go back to the EU and demand the changes they want within the EU and use the 'give me what I want or else...' argument. A part of me hopes they do that for two reasons -
1) the EU really is stronger with the UK as part of it and
2) It's about time Brussels was really held to task for some awful decisions
If the UK say we'll say but with strong reform brought about quickly and the EU turns them down, then I hope the whole thing falls apart but because if they won't change to save a country as strong as the UK then we, the little piss ant members on fringe of Europe, haven't a snowballs chance in hell of ever getting any reform out of them.
Just think about it, if you never vote out, you way live out rest of your life never know if it's good or bad. At least now we will find out. What's the worst that can happen? Return to EU!!!
At least when you finally return to EU( if you do) you know it's better and not gut feel.
also this is important for all EU nations who are deciding if they want to be dependance too.
At least when you finally return to EU( if you do) you know it's better and not gut feel.
also this is important for all EU nations who are deciding if they want to be dependance too.
You simply underestimate the ability of people to rise up to that type of challenge by finding a new group to scapegoat. I was thinking this morning on the drive in to the office that I can't remember the last American political campaign that was actually focused on "what we can do better", just on "what they're doing / did wrong" or "*they*'re taking over our country, take it back", with *they* of course being anything other than white heterosexual Christian males on one side or the military/corporations on the other side.
Fixing a problem is far more difficult than blaming it on someone else.
Couldn't have said it better myself. And that's part of the scary bit really. When the 'they' is no longer the EU and the right wing are leading the cabinet, who will the 'they' become then? I certainly hope it's not some minority but it could very well turn out to be. And we all know what kind of ugliness can happen if 'they' are to blame.
I'm Latino, every time there is a down turn in the economy the GOP blames Mexicans lol.
They took are jerbs!!
I'm a Conservative voter, I've always wanted out of the EU. I follow politics very closely and I'm positive that in the medium to long term, this will benefit Britain. I'm not going to get into a debate with you, we're fortunate enough to live in a democracy and the people have spoken. What we need to do now is work together and heal the wounds.
I'm not looking to get into a debate either. I fully respect the right of people to vote their mind. And like I've said in some posts above I like the UK standing up to the EU. What I don't like is the right wing anti immigrant mentality being pushed by right wing parties who have sold an idea that this is an easy fix. I also hope that when Scotland decides to have another vote on saying in the EU that Boris Johnson and co will respect their democratic right and allow them a vote as well.
My decision wasn't made with immigration in mind. I still would have no problem with the freedom of movement between European countries. As I said, my motivation is people making British laws should be voted in by the British people and should be able to be voted out by the British people.
Not everyone who voted out was voting on immigration although I'm sure it resonated with many who've been concerned with the high numbers of immigrants and were labeled racists for years for even mentioning immigration.
I'm outward looking, I believe we can now trade with the rest of the world how it suits us, not tied into a trading block with 27 other countries all looking out for there own interests whilst negotiating trade deals with the rest of the world.
As I say, it's time to move on now and try to secure trade with the EU and the rest of the world whilst healing the deep divisions caused by the referendum.
That would depend on how the EU takes this exit. They may very well take it badly and try to make an example of the UK and that would be pretty bad for us both in the short term and long term.
I just hope Scotland take their time before activating this second vote. A knee jerk reaction would not be good.
Yes there is a possibility that the EU will try to make it hard for us but considering that we're now the EU's biggest customer and that the Germans are still going to want to sell the great cars they make to us, I'm pretty sure a good deal can be worked out.
We might be now, but will we be in a years time? Everybody is throwing out these speculations but it could take up to 2 years for this surprising action in the UK to fully take affect. 2 years is a long time, who knows what will happen in that time.
I like the optimism even though I voted Remain. I hope we can make the best of the situation but make no mistake we are entering uncharted waters.
Its funny how people think other countries are going to fall head over heels to make trade deals with us. But we are now competing alone against other power houses - US, EU, China, India, Brazil
Potentially you'll see business moving from London over to ireland so they can stay in an English language EU country. Could work out well for us.
Here is a question...and one I haven;t seen asked or addressed anywhere:How will this effect the Falkands and the less than friendly relationship between Argentina and the UK?
"It is all the old peoples fault. Those stupid, uneducated and racist wrinkle bags ruined the future for currents generations." - Twitter opinions
That's kind of harsh. I'm sure that she's voted in every day-after second-chance election that's occurred.
Stop worrying, the EU may be gone in next 5 years if this chart is to be believed.
Positive or negative effects after independence in GB will be critical. in encourage/discouraging others about exit of EU.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Britain-EU-aftershocks-hitting-continent.html
Positive or negative effects after independence in GB will be critical. in encourage/discouraging others about exit of EU.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Britain-EU-aftershocks-hitting-continent.html
Stop worrying, the EU may be gone in next 5 years if this chart is to be believed.
Positive or negative effects after independence in GB will be critical. in encourage/discouraging others about exit of EU.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Britain-EU-aftershocks-hitting-continent.html
Daily Mail. So the chart is not to be believed.
Red C had the French and Dutch numbers around 40%. Which is still extremely high.