Europe - In or Out

D-V-ANT said:
There is no emoticon for how hilarious that was.
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I wonder how many people voted purely on emotion and didn't bother to really think it through. Also what's going on this morning will pass, things will settle as time goes on, they always do after a major event and people start to figure things out. I find all of this very interesting though, hopefully things work out for the best.
 
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D-V-ANT said:
Daily Mail. So the chart is not to be believed.

Red C had the French and Dutch numbers around 40%. Which is still extremely high.
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The absolute value is not as important as an idea of how much % of people wanted to leave EU.

Like I said, a lot of people will look at success of UK & this will swing the votes.
 
starseeker said:
The absolute value is not as important as an idea of how much % of people wanted to leave EU.

Like I said, a lot of people will look at success of UK & this will swing the votes.
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Agreed. But I still wouldn't use the Daily Mail as a source.
 
JinCA said:
I wonder how many people voted purely on emotion and didn't bother to really think it through. Also what's going on this morning will pass, things will settle as time goes on, they always do after a major event and people start to figure things out. I find all of this very interesting though, hopefully things work out for the best.
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Well quite a few didn't even know what they were voting for.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...didn’t-you-warn-us/ar-AAhAv7Z?ocid=spartanntp

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All I know is I'm glad I got my full series DVD sets of The Vicar of Dibley, Keeping up Appearances and Are you being served before the vote. Who knows if they'll still make them now? lol They go nicely with my Little Britain sets on the shelf :)
 
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Could there be a second EU referendum?

EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum
We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.
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This has already reached 914,000 signatures. Since its over 100,000 this has to be debated in parliament. Sign up if you believe there has to be a 2nd referendum since the first one was too close to call. Perhaps this could hit 1 million.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
 
TheGeneral said:
Could there be a second EU referendum?

EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum


This has already reached 914,000 signatures. Since its over 100,000 this has to be debated in parliament. Sign up if you believe there has to be a 2nd referendum since the first one was too close to call. Perhaps this could hit 1 million.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
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You can't just ask for another referendum because the result isn't to your liking. The decision has been made and I wouldn't call 1 million votes too close to call.

We are leaving. Deal with it.
 
TheGeneral said:
Could there be a second EU referendum?

EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum


This has already reached 914,000 signatures. Since its over 100,000 this has to be debated in parliament. Sign up if you believe there has to be a 2nd referendum since the first one was too close to call. Perhaps this could hit 1 million.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
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If only people were this interested in staying when they had a chance to vote.

And what happens if this passes and the vote is the same way again? Another redo? What if the vote is 49/51 to say? Another redo again ? As menace said, it's done now. If people want to direct their energy they should be asking that Article 50 not be invoked to allow more potential negotiations.
 
D-V-ANT said:
If only people were this interested in staying when they had a chance to vote.

And what happens if this passes and the vote is the same way again? Another redo? What if the vote is 49/51 to say? Another redo again ? As menace said, it's done now. If people want to direct their energy they should be asking that Article 50 not be invoked to allow more potential negotiations.
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EU reckons we have the best deal we could get and they want us to leave quickly. So it would seem, right now anyway, that renegotiation would be pointless. Even if they were willing, the changes would have to be pretty big to warrant another vote.

Would seem strange to see EU not even try to keep the second biggest economy and most powerful military force at their side though.
 
menace-uk- said:
EU reckons we have the best deal we could get and they want us to leave quickly. So it would seem, right now anyway, that renegotiation would be pointless. Even if they were willing, the changes would have to be pretty big to warrant another vote.

Would seem strange to see EU not even try to keep the second biggest economy and most powerful military force at their side though.
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Military has nothing to do with it. Your still in NATO. This is all economics and politics. Also all that commentary about this being the best deal and leave quickly has a certain amount of posturing to it. Its not beyond the realm of possibility that something might give in the EU that allows the Conservatives to stay in and save face.
 
D-V-ANT said:
Military has nothing to do with it. Your still in NATO. This is all economics and politics. Also all that commentary about this being the best deal and leave quickly has a certain amount of posturing to it. Its not beyond the realm of possibility that something might give in the EU that allows the Conservatives to stay in and save face.
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I know it has nothing to do with it. I was talking about the importance and size of the country they are trying to throw through the exit. I mean this isn't Greece who brings very little to the table.
 
menace-uk- said:
I know it has nothing to do with it. I was talking about the importance and size of the country they are trying to throw through the exit. I mean this isn't Greece who brings very little to the table.
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Like I said. That's posturing. and did you really expect anything less with the U.K. effectively giving two fingers to the rest of Europe?
 
D-V-ANT said:
Like I said. That's posturing. and did you really expect anything less with the U.K. effectively giving two fingers to the rest of Europe?
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Well yes. It is exactly this kind of thing that has led to this leave vote. The EU needs to change and they need to change quick. They were just talking about not overacting and making hasty decisions and now they are doing the opposite.

And leave quickly, really? What part of this process do they think is going to happen quickly :laugh:
 
menace-uk- said:
You can't just ask for another referendum because the result isn't to your liking. The decision has been made and I wouldn't call 1 million votes too close to call.

We are leaving. Deal with it.
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Exactly. You cannot protest & demand when things do not get in your way. If this is allow, then there is zero credibility to voting system, & no difference to regimes that started military coup when electoral results do not swing in their favor.

Not to mentioned the cycle that the people who vote to leave will demand another referendum.

By doing this, you are showing disrespect to the system & the (slight) majority wishes of the people. People should let it go & do the best with the decision. We can discuss the success & failure in after 4 years, & see if a referendum is needed.
 
menace-uk- said:
Well yes. It is exactly this kind of thing that has led to this leave vote. The EU needs to change and they need to change quick. They were just talking about not overacting and making hasty decisions and now they are doing the opposite.

And leave quickly, really? What part of this process do they think is going to happen quickly :laugh:
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If anything, this show EU is a bully all along.
 
Its not unusual to have a second referendum, though its unlikely to happen for this unless there is a serious turn of events which may warrant one. But nevertheless the fact this has 1 million signatures means it cant be ignored and needs to be debated in parliament.
 
Think the difference is too small. Both choices should need a bigger win % for action to be taken
 
The amount of dumb people in this country is unbelievable. I have no problem with leave voters who have genuine reasons but there has been far too many people with stupid reasons who have put little to no thought in a decision which will have serious ramifications for years to come. A democracy only works when you have a vast majority of educated people and sadly it seems the UK does not.
 
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TheGeneral said:
Its funny how people think other countries are going to fall head over heels to make trade deals with us. But we are now competing alone against other power houses - US, EU, China, India, Brazil
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We cannot compete with US, EU or China but we are in better shape than Brazil and India though India has enormous potential to be the next China. Australia and Canada are two countries have higher potential than us though, maybe in 10 or 20 years they will surpass us.
 
timmy-boy said:
The amount of dumb people in this country is unbelievable. I have no problem with leave voters who have genuine reasons but there has been far too many people with stupid reasons who have little to no thought in a decision which will have serious ramifications for years to come. A democracy only works when you have a vast majority of educated people and sadly it seems the UK does not.
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Agreed.
 
Neither is forcing something on just under half the voters.

Hell Scotland got totally screwed by us.
 
Even if won by 1 vote, the result had to be respected.

Otherwise it undermined the system.

Why not see what happens in the next years.

Then everyone has an objective view of how it turns out.

If things do not turn out well, you can always rejoin.

The reality is no matter how you think you are correct, ( either side) the outcome is already out, why not see how it goes?

It could be a big mistake or the best thing ever for a long time for Britain.

One thing I learn in life is to always look forward and not drag on the past.
 
menace-uk- said:
I know it has nothing to do with it. I was talking about the importance and size of the country they are trying to throw through the exit. I mean this isn't Greece who brings very little to the table.
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Pfft! May you never have an olive in one of your Martinis again!

Or is that the Italians? Same thing I guess.
 
starseeker said:
Even if won by 1 vote, the result had to be respected.

Otherwise it undermined the system.

Why not see what happens in the next years.

Then everyone has an objective view of how it turns out.

If things do not turn out well, you can always rejoin.

The reality is no matter how you think you are correct, ( either side) the outcome is already out, why not see how it goes?

It could be a big mistake or the best thing ever for a long time for Britain.

One thing I learn in life is to always look forward and not drag on the past.
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If we have to rejoin we will get bent over big time.
 
timmy-boy said:
We cannot compete with US, EU or China but we are in better shape than Brazil and India though India has enormous potential to be the next China. Australia and Canada are two countries have higher potential than us though, maybe in 10 or 20 years they will surpass us.
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We have really good wine here in Australia, that should be enough.

And I should know, I've been to 117 wineries! Hoping to make it to 150 before my 30th!

I adore the British mentality. So calm and placid on facebook initially.

My UK friends were all "Just make sure you all go out and vote, and having a young voice heard is important, regardless of the outcome."

However, today, "#%#&*$(shdgj @gsgj @hdj illegal!"

Really, everyone should be listening to Lindsay Lohan. God knows she has been my spirit guide.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0ZA3G0

AND a recount would piss off Liz Hurley. And need I remind you, she has been invited to the palace twice. Lizzie darling, you got a free meal. Twice. Shut up. Its more than you deserve.

(Unrelated, one time I was eating dinner at Donovan's in StKilda, and my ex pointed out, "Look! Its Shane Warne!" A few tables over.
Then, this amazingly majestic woman walked in, wearing a pair of the crispest white linen flat fronted trousers I had ever seen! I replied to my cheating ex "Look at those trous....ARGHHH! ITS LIZ HURLEY! SHE WAS IN A MOVIE WITH BRENDAN FRAZER!" True story.)
 
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