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[karmakid]

There will be a compartment the SSD will be saddled into inside of the console to which you will have access to from the outside. Every PlayStation console except for the original PlayStation adopts this method. An "in addition to" would simply make it proprietary, which are generally more expensive and limited.

I think i said that wrong. It won't be like a memory card that sticks out of the console.

I think it may just very well be expandable, instead of replaceable... which IMO is a better option. I don’t want to swap out the OEM ssd for another one, I would prefer to just add to it instead.

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The Xbox one does suck that it’s a third party proprietary piece but if it works with no issue I see nothing wrong with that, it will add need storage and it’s placement has to do with cooling/airflow. Hopefully other companies hop on and make their own. Dude it’d be dope if I could use one of my 1tb micro sd cards with an adapter for it

 

[JinCA]

I think it may just very well be expandable, instead of replaceable... which IMO is a better option. I don’t want to swap out the OEM ssd for another one, I would prefer to just add to it instead.

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The Xbox one does suck that it’s a third party proprietary piece but if it works with no issue I see nothing wrong with that, it will add need storage and it’s placement has to do with cooling/airflow. Hopefully other companies hop on and make their own. Dude it’d be dope if I could use one of my 1tb micro sd cards with an adapter for it

I think it is replaceable, they said it would be handled like the PS4 and you have to replace the internal drive if you are going that route, I don't think they'd add an extra compartment for people who decide they want to plug in a larger SSD, that would mean they would have to add another access point to everything etc on top of just raising manufacturing costs for something a lot of people simply wouldn't use. You can plug in external drives for storage regardless you just can't play PS5 games on anything but the internal SSD, either the one that ships with the console or an approved larger one that fits into that spot.

You asked about cost, I don't think anyone knows yet what an SSD that would be acceptable would cost, someone posted a link to some a week or two ago and I believe the 2TB one was over $300 but it wasn't fast enough, the 4TB option was over $700 and again that one wasn't fast enough either so expanded storage that fits in the console is going to be very expensive. I know some worry about wearing the included SSD down with swapping games in and out over time but I've had a 2TB SSD hooked up to my Pro for a few years and had no problems, also cost is just going to become an issue, it'd be cheaper to replace your PS5 if the SSD wears down than to buy a 3TB or 4TB replacement SSD that fits in the console.

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

no worries, but I did see the slot is at the bottom of the ps5.

I just thought you’d be able to retain the ssd that came with the console in side the console itself and just add another one to add to it, not replace. Like just find a 1tb ssd that’s approved by Sony and just slap it in so I’d have 1.825 tbs instead of just swapping it out.

How much are ssd drives that are equal to or faster than Sony’s custom one?

You will. The SSD you will be purchasing just has to be fast enough (NVMe 7.0) to keep up with the SSD in the PS5 (5.5 GB) so that you can play your games from it.

 

[starseeker]

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The fact that this tweet gets more likes than comments shows how out of touch from iRL twitter is.

 

[TeKPhaN]

You will. The SSD you will be purchasing just has to be fast enough (NVMe 7.0) to keep up with the SSD in the PS5 (5.5 GB) so that you can play your games from it.

It also has to be able to do 12 channels.

 

[starseeker]

that's significant if true

So clearly, base on this, the best place to play FF16 is PC.

Also, it will be funny if overheating becomes an issue & PS5 & most game will be designed to will run at 6-7TF. Unless PS5 uses some special cooling solution, I don't see how the slim size of the PS5 gets enough cooling for a long time overclocking. If you are serious about overclocking, most PC will run using a massive amount of fans or water cooling systems.

 

[JinCA]

So clearly, base on this, the best place to play FF16 is PC.

Also, it will be funny if overheating becomes an issue & PS5 & most game will be designed to will run at 6-7TF. Unless PS5 uses some special cooling solution, I don't see how the slim size of the PS5 gets enough cooling for a long time overclocking. If you are serious about overclocking, most PC will run using a massive amount of fans or water cooling systems.

You don't think they've figured this out? People need to stop confusing what they are doing with overclocking on the PC it's not the same thing.

 

[starseeker]

You don't think they've figured this out? People need to stop confusing what they are doing with overclocking on the PC it's not the same thing.

Just because you have a fancy name doesn't make it different. Thermodynamics does not change because you give it a different name. Also, my experience with thermodynamics isn't just PC, but I quote PC as its easy for the layman. I design Automotive components & we need to pass thermal checks. We run simulations as well as lab tests. Thermal needs to pass Overall, a well as key components. Cooling 1 component will not do much to help dissipate heat from Overheating another, especially if they are mostly independent.

 

[menace-uk-]

Just because you have a fancy name doesn't make it different. Thermodynamics does not change because you give it a different name. Also, my experience with thermodynamics isn't just PC, but I quote PC as its easy for the layman. I design Automotive components & we need to pass thermal checks. We run simulations as well as lab tests. Thermal needs to pass Overall, a well as key components. Cooling 1 component will not do much to help dissipate heat from Overheating another, especially if they are mostly independent.

It isn't overclockihg. Overclocking is taking hardware designed to work at one setting and then forcing it beyond it.

This variablre frequency doesn't do that. Ironically this method is meant to make cooling easier and simpler. Unlike the XSX, hence it needing more specialized cooling solutions.

 

[starseeker]

It isn't overclockihg. Overclocking is taking hardware designed to work at one setting and then forcing it beyond it.

This variable frequency doesn't do that. Ironically this method is meant to make cooling easier and simpler. Unlike the XSX, hence it needing more specialized cooling solutions.

Overclocking is running a clock frequency higher than the default clock frequency. It is NOT intended to be forced, its inbuild, as in design in mind. As an example, intel overclockable CPUs have a K or X designation at the back. (eg INTEL Core™ i9-9900K Processor).

Non-overclockable CPU can't be well, overlocked. SO why not use the higher clock frequency if you can? Heat. If you intend to overclock, then it is expected you have a good cooling solution or run overlocked CPU/GPU sparely. That's is why many if not the most cooling solution has a temperature reading to indicate if the CPU/GPU are too hot or not.

Yes, the PS5 will need a specialized cooling solution to get the amount of heat out of its tight frame.

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

It also has to be able to do 12 channels.

No it doesn't. The one in the PS5 is a unique SSD due to it having specific purpose. You only need an off the shelf SSD that is fast enough to keep up with the speed of the one in the PS5. That's the point of the 7.0GBs drives read speed

 

[starseeker]

When PS5 owners find out they are running out of space to install their game, which is like week ownership. They are going to be pissed.

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

So clearly, base on this, the best place to play FF16 is PC.

Also, it will be funny if overheating becomes an issue & PS5 & most game will be designed to will run at 6-7TF. Unless PS5 uses some special cooling solution, I don't see how the slim size of the PS5 gets enough cooling for a long time overclocking. If you are serious about overclocking, most PC will run using a massive amount of fans or water cooling systems.

I would think for Sony to even clock a GPU that high that they would've taken cooling heavily into consideration. It was one of the main points Cerny spoke of when he mentioned the high, variable clocks. Now, I'm not sure what cooling system they are using but Cerny seems to be very excited about it, not to mention the fact that he felt like he could have pushed those clocks even higher but it would only throw off the chip's logic. Having said that, Sony does have a patent on how to efficiently cool such a processor. Whether they use it or not, i don't know, but check it out:

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

When PS5 owners find out they are running out of space to install their game, which is like week ownership. They are going to be pissed.

Cerny already mentioned that you can use both an external HDD and an off the market SSD both at the same time. Even still, i thought this part was rather interesting:

However, game installation (which is mandatory, given the speed difference between the SSD and the optical drive) will be a bit different than in the PS4. This time around, aided in part by the simplified game data possible with the SSD, Sony is changing its approach to storage, making for a more configurable installation—and removal—process. "Rather than treating games like a big block of data," Cerny says, "we're allowing finer-grained access to the data." That could mean the ability to install just a game's multiplayer campaign, leaving the single-player campaign for another time, or just installing the whole thing and then deleting the single-player campaign once you've finished it.

Regardless of what parts of a game you choose to install and play, you'll be able to stay abreast of it via a completely revamped user interface. The PS4's bare-bones home screen at times feels frozen in amber; you can see what your friends have recently done or even what game title they might be playing at the moment, but without launching an individual title there's no way to tell what single-player missions you could do or what multiplayer matches you can join. The PS5 will change that. "Even though it will be fairly fast to boot games, we don't want the player to have to boot the game, see what's up, boot the game, see what's up," Cerny says. "Multiplayer game servers will provide the console with the set of joinable activities in real time. Single-player games will provide information like what missions you could do and what rewards you might receive for completing them—and all of those choices will be visible in the UI. As a player you just jump right into whatever you like."

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[hrudey]

It isn't overclockihg. Overclocking is taking hardware designed to work at one setting and then forcing it beyond it.

This variablre frequency doesn't do that. Ironically this method is meant to make cooling easier and simpler. Unlike the XSX, hence it needing more specialized cooling solutions.

It is more like factory overclocked graphics cards, since they are already up to the point where they're adding roughly 10% more voltage to get that last couple percent of graphical juice. Voltage leads to heat. I trust they've got a good heat dissipation system since otherwise they couldn't launch this.

 

[menace-uk-]

Overclocking is running a clock frequency higher than the default clock frequency. It is NOT intended to be forced, its inbuild, as in design in mind. As an example, intel overclockable CPUs have a K or X designation at the back. (eg INTEL Core™ i9-9900K Processor).

Non-overclockable CPU can't be well, overlocked. SO why not use the higher clock frequency if you can? Heat. If you intend to overclock, then it is expected you have a good cooling solution or run overlocked CPU/GPU sparely. That's is why many if not the most cooling solution has a temperature reading to indicate if the CPU/GPU are too hot or not.

Yes, the PS5 will need a specialized cooling solution to get the amount of heat out of its tight frame.

Which the PS5 doesn't do. It has its max frequency and doesn't go above it, only below it. Therefor not overclocked.

 

[menace-uk-]

It is more like factory overclocked graphics cards, since they are already up to the point where they're adding roughly 10% more voltage to get that last couple percent of graphical juice. Voltage leads to heat. I trust they've got a good heat dissipation system since otherwise they couldn't launch this.

It isn't like that at all. They aren't adding voltage and overclocking. Tge GPU and CPU have their set top frequency and it will never go above it, they will only ever reach it or fall below it.

Think of it like a car engine. The engine has set top RPM, if you drive with the RPM maxed all the time (XSX)You will constantly generate large amounts of heat. But if you drive normally, your RPM varies and Heat build up is easily and simpler displaced.

 

[TeKPhaN]

No it doesn't. The one in the PS5 is a unique SSD due to it having specific purpose. You only need an off the shelf SSD that is fast enough to keep up with the speed of the one in the PS5. That's the point of the 7.0GBs drives read speed

Shawn

 

[TeKPhaN]

So clearly, base on this, the best place to play FF16 is PC.

Also, it will be funny if overheating becomes an issue & PS5 & most game will be designed to will run at 6-7TF. Unless PS5 uses some special cooling solution, I don't see how the slim size of the PS5 gets enough cooling for a long time overclocking. If you are serious about overclocking, most PC will run using a massive amount of fans or water cooling systems.

PC?


No

 

[JinCA]

When PS5 owners find out they are running out of space to install their game, which is like week ownership. They are going to be pissed.

That's going to happen for xbox series x owners as well, neither machine is killing it in the storage space department but the tradeoffs will actually impact games so it's worth it. Most of us already use external storage for the machines we have now, it'll be the same thing only we won't be playing the new gen games from the external drives unless you bought one of the $220 dollar 1TB SSD's (rumored price) from Seagate or you are playing backwards compatible games from a standard external SSD/HDD.

 

[starseeker]

You will. The SSD you will be purchasing just has to be fast enough (NVMe 7.0) to keep up with the SSD in the PS5 (5.5 GB) so that you can play your games from it.

It's not available on the market, & when it is available, it will be VERY Expensive at least for a while. SO....my as well as a PC or even XBOX X

 

[starseeker]

That's going to happen for xbox series x owners as well, neither machine is killing it in the storage space department but the tradeoffs will actually impact games so it's worth it. Most of us already use external storage for the machines we have now, it'll be the same thing only we won't be playing the new gen games from the external drives unless you bought one of the $220 dollar 1TB SSD's (rumored price) from Seagate or you are playing backwards compatible games from a standard external SSD/HDD.

At least XBOX players can get SSD upgrades & I think far cheaper. The SSD PS5 used isn't even available & be price affordable for even longer. PS5 cannot run game that is on an SSD slower than the base SSD drive. That is unless Sony allows that, meaning their SSD boost features maybe useless or tone down.

 

[JinCA]

Just because you have a fancy name doesn't make it different. Thermodynamics does not change because you give it a different name. Also, my experience with thermodynamics isn't just PC, but I quote PC as its easy for the layman. I design Automotive components & we need to pass thermal checks. We run simulations as well as lab tests. Thermal needs to pass Overall, a well as key components. Cooling 1 component will not do much to help dissipate heat from Overheating another, especially if they are mostly independent.

Again they've been doing R&D for years, this is the console they've designed and they've said it'll run cooler and quieter, you don't get what they are doing and that's fine but trying to spread BS about it overheating when the way it's made to function actually prevents that is silly.

 

[JinCA]

At least XBOX players can get SSD upgrades & I think far cheaper. The SSD PS5 used isn't even available & be price affordable for even longer. PS5 cannot run game that is on an SSD slower than the base SSD drive. That is unless Sony allows that, meaning their SSD boost features maybe useless or tone down.

Yeah let's brag about $220 for 1TB of extra space, if you buy a 2TB internal drive for the PS5 it'll probably come in slightly cheaper than $440 but not by a whole lot. Either way nobody is going to win when it comes to storage space but when it comes to actual performance of the SSD speeds PS5 is going to come out on top. Of course you can always buy a 5TB $110 external HDD and just swap games back and forth between the two drives if need be and if the faster SSD speeds aren't important to you for BC games you can play those directly from the external drive, that's a much cheaper option than either company is going to be able to provide and you will have all the room you'll need.

 

[starseeker]

Yeah let's brag about $220 for 1TB of extra space, if you buy a 2TB internal drive for the PS5 it'll probably come in slightly cheaper than $440 but not by a whole lot. Either way nobody is going to win when it comes to storage space but when it comes to actual performance of the SSD speeds PS5 is going to come out on top. Of course you can always buy a 5TB $110 external HDD and just swap games back and forth between the two drives if need be and if the faster SSD speeds aren't important to you for BC games you can play those directly from the external drive, that's a much cheaper option than either company is going to be able to provide and you will have all the room you'll need.

You realized the $220 SSD can't run PS5 games right? You need a compatible SSD that read as least as fast.

 

[TeKPhaN]

That's going to happen for xbox series x owners as well, neither machine is killing it in the storage space department but the tradeoffs will actually impact games so it's worth it. Most of us already use external storage for the machines we have now, it'll be the same thing only we won't be playing the new gen games from the external drives unless you bought one of the $220 dollar 1TB SSD's (rumored price) from Seagate or you are playing backwards compatible games from a standard external SSD/HDD.

XSX has the better solution.

 

[starseeker]

Again they've been doing R&D for years, this is the console they've designed and they've said it'll run cooler and quieter, you don't get what they are doing and that's fine but trying to spread BS about it overheating when the way it's made to function actually prevents that is silly.

I NEVER said PS5 will overheat, I said PS5 will overheat (educated deduction) unless it has a specialized cooling solution.If it has & it works as good as they said, then good.

I think soon, people will accuse me of being Xbox fanboy, lol.

 

[Edge BC]

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

It's not available on the market, & when it is available, it will be VERY Expensive at least for a while. SO....my as well as a PC or even XBOX X

Because it is off the shelf, you will get multiple sizes varying in cost. That's the upside to using standard, storage solution. I know Samsung and Lexar have been working on some for a minute now. Couple this with the fact that you can use an external for additional storage, and you kinda narrow that impact.

And by the way, the Xbox’s solution don't look too much better.

 

[hrudey]

Because it is off the shelf, you will get multiple sizes varying in cost. That's the upside to using standard, storage solution. I know Samsung and Lexar have been working on some for a minute now. Couple this with the fact that you can use an external for additional storage, and you kinda narrow that impact.

And by the way, the Xbox’s solution don't look too much better.

We don't know yet if that's the actual price, but if you buy that you spent 220 and have 2TB to play next gen games on. How much would it cost you to have 2TB on PS5? Not sure since I don't think you can get a 7GB/s SSD now and that's what they said you need, but a 2TB at 5GB/s will set you back about 400. https://www.newegg.com/sabrent-rocket-nvme-4-0-2tb/p/0D9-001Y-00014?&quicklink=true