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One person's opinion doesn't validate much. Forbes editorial people have been consistent about their stance against Xbox and Game Pass when coming on influencer podcasts. Since I'm a Game Pass fanboy, nothing they write is directed to me (or most Xbox gaming enthusiasts). Just different priorities.

People shouldn't go overboard with making bold claims about a generation or hardware a few weeks into a gen when most gamers don't have time for all the games out now or coming soon.
 
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People are acting like the game was released in some half finished state, but it looks and plays amazing. Sure, it has a few issues, but nothing like we've seen with other console launches. People are forgetting 640p resolution games launching with X1 vanilla and PS4 and games struggling to get to 20fps.

My launch console experience has been great, and I have not had any early adopter regret at all. As a matter of fact, I keep looking for a PS5 in stock to add to my XSX.

I think it has more to do with the results falling in reverse and not just on par with those wild expectations.

If these individuals didn't believe the gap could ever be equal to Sony's 9.2TF machine, as some extremist love putting it, then to say that it was superior in any way to Microsoft’s 12TF monster would be completely insane to even imagine such a possibility in the same sentence. Sony's system was given a lot of negatives and no advantages amongst these individuals, and now the reality is hitting home much harder. So while you may not see a big deal in the performance, it is this fixed, uncompromising mentality that is dealing the bigger blow amongst these individuals. After all, Sony's system was only supposed to be used for a small few first party titles with Series X being the third party go to for the absolute best performance.

I guess it didnt make it any better when DualSense was praised or Sony released with a stellar, launch lineup or the SSD actually playing an important, noticeable role right out the gate.
 
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One person's opinion doesn't validate much. Forbes editorial people have been consistent about their stance against Xbox and Game Pass when coming on influencer podcasts. Since I'm a Game Pass fanboy, nothing they write is directed to me (or most Xbox gaming enthusiasts). Just different priorities.

People shouldn't go overboard with making bold claims about a generation or hardware a few weeks into a gen when most gamers don't have time for all the games out now or coming soon.
That's the truth. ACV is eating up ally time, lol, then Cyberpunk will render everything else moot for at least a month. I'm fine on games and I have great hardware to run them on. I'm gooood. Just like this gen too, cyberpunk wont have the patch but I want to play now, so I'll get one of the bests versions I can, Play it, and then enjoy the upgrade when it comes. I tired of waiting, damnit!
 
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Comparing previous gens this was the weakest launch for both consoles.
Agreed. I actually popped in Ryse the other day and it would still hold up with a res boost. I was seriously impressed by everything but the resolution.

The combat is simple but engaging, and the sheer number of executions is fantastic and satisfying.

The story is entertaining, the music is distinct and memorable, and the visuals are stellar. I'd have love a showpiece like it for the SeX.
 
He knew what he was getting when he f***ing purchased it. So basically purchase it and then write a hit piece about it.

This is my take on the whole situation:

Phil Spencer knew he didn't have a launch lineup. In fact, he knew he didn't have projects ready or planned even after he purchased all those studios. Instead, he used these acquisitions and promises to fuel the hype behind the system, kinda like Bethesda, to compensate for the fact that nothing was ready. Some, like the individual you mentioned, bought into this on the strength that at least the console would perform better than the competition across the board. When you don't get this and you still have to wait, you begin to question why you ever took the plunge. I'm sure this the situation that has taken place here.
 
That's the truth. ACV is eating up ally time, lol, then Cyberpunk will render everything else moot for at least a month. I'm fine on games and I have great hardware to run them on. I'm gooood. Just like this gen too, cyberpunk wont have the patch but I want to play now, so I'll get one of the bests versions I can, Play it, and then enjoy the upgrade when it comes. I tired of waiting, damnit!
Yep my backlog of newish stuff is already piling up. Not to mention old stuff that I stopped playing due to load times (looking at you Forza) is back on the docket. I've been playing Yakuza, Valhalla, Cold War online and Tetris. With all the new stuff coming to Game Pass, Destiny 2's patch and Cyberpunk, I'm booked for months. lol Oh...then Medium and The Ascent will be in Game Pass next.

Comparing previous gens this was the weakest launch for both consoles.

In a way...yes. It doesn't have the magic that the 360 launch had. Or the OG Xbox. Honestly though, once the new car smell wore off with the 360, I had my fill of Condemned, realized Perfect Dark was shiat...I played Geometry Wars until Oblivion hit months later. (That's how I achieved #6 overall and my score still stands in the top 60 lol)

On the OG Xbox, Halo CE is my favorite game of all time and PGR got me into racing games but until 12 months later, my rotation was more Halo CE, PGR and Madden.

I feel like the tail of this launch window will be better than the previous two gens. There's never been a 3rd party game as big as Cyberpunk. I realize it's not officially next gen but it might as well be. That thing will make the Xbox One and PS4 pull a Luke Skywalker from the Last Jedi and disappear after running it.

On the contrary, there's a lot of content right now. We've never had this level of backwards compatibility at launch or previous gen games that held up so well with free enhancements. I could carry over my Elite 2 controller and headset with no additional expenses. November and December's Game Pass games are really good and we've never had this kind of service on Day 1.

So yeah...I get it. Doesn't have that Ryse, Madden (on PS2), Condemned or Halo moment on Day 1. Not the wow factor. In terms of actual gaming beyond that, I feel I'm getting a more complete next gen experience. None of the downsides that come with splitting off friends, splitting libraries or lack of games to play after the first month.
 
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This is my take on the whole situation:

Phil Spencer knew he didn't have a launch lineup. In fact, he knew he didn't have projects ready or planned even after he purchased all those studios. Instead, he used these acquisitions and promises to fuel the hype behind the system, kinda like Bethesda, to compensate for the fact that nothing was ready. Some, like the individual you mentioned, bought into this on the strength that at least the console would perform better than the competition across the board. When you don't get this and you still have to wait, you begin to question why you ever took the plunge. I'm sure this the situation that has taken place here.
Nah it's one man's opinion. Most Xbox gamers bough Series X at launch for it's 1st party promise of the future, how well it carried over everything from the previous gen and Game Pass. Nothing changed for me/them. Nobody was talking about PS5's difference at 120fps before DF's comparison because 1) very few people were running games at that frame rate and 2) most gamers couldn't tell you which game was running better in multiplats without DF's help. Long time gamers know that 3rd parties rarely leverage hardware deltas. They rarely did it on OG Xbox vs PS2 and that was a massive difference in power.

I find the article either disingenuous or in a minority. It's not reflecting opinions from the Xbox enthusiasts. We already pre-ordered knowing that Halo was delayed and it would be 3rd party games at launch. The power didn't change for people who value that stuff. They'll win their fair share of DF head to heads that most gamers won't care about soon enough.
 
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Another example of PS5 having more details (Unified ram>Split ram) and this time XSX running better at 120fps.
I just finished watching their tech analysis. It appears to have the same average performance we seen on PS4 Pro and X1X. Slightly sharper shadows and increased foliage on PS5. But I'm surprised by the better performance on XSX in 120fps mode. I would have thought they be equal but DF does state how Xbox's support for VRR being a key feature to their advantage. I don't have a 120herz TV so I can't take advantage of that mode so most of my gaming at least for now will be in 4k/60 when supported for shooters.

But in the end, for a gamer like myself with a 4K TV without 120herz support its another win for the PS5. But these wins are so slight that unless Sony comes out with a storage solution and soon it won't sway me from the XSX version. Well, right now I don't have that choice since I can't find a PS5 to save my life.
 
Because others were comparing it.



I prefer Xbox games more than PS games. I have stated that numerous times. Doesn't mean I can't enjoy both. You remind me of my wife. She will ask me "which shirt do you like more?". I tell her, and she says "oh, so you don't like this one". To which I respond "No, I didn't say that. I said I like shirt A more than shirt B"...to which I then follow up with "I give shirt A a grade of 100, and I give shirt B a grade of 95".

Some see things as "all or none". I don't roll that way.



Odd, do I need to go and quote the issues I had with my Xbox Series X making a noise out of the box that sounded like a loose piece of paper hitting the fan? Or when I said that my Xbox Series X crashed numerous times with COD Cold War? Or said that the dpad was too noisy? Or that the Seagate NVMe was over priced? Or that I thought that Gears Tactics sucked ass? Or that yet another Xbox launch game was delayed (all posted here on the forum).



And then I came back and said it was fake.



Yup, that is what I said. IMO, it is one of the worst ever, if not the worst.



We know you don't understand opinions.



I am not unbiased. I prefer Xbox. But I play both and enjoy both. I am on a forum that USED to be Team Xbox. I spend all my time here in the XBOX section and this section. I dabble in the PS section when I am playing a PS game on occasion (I have the most activity in Miles Morales thread)

at least she hasn’t asked you which offspring you like most
 
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He might be right, but the same problem is with PS as well and he never mentions it. He acts like Xbox is alone.
No it isn't. The Xbox problem has been going for a decade. pS5 just has a weak launch. Not the same thing. If we look at 2021, PS looks quality but Xbox looks weak....as of right now anyway.
 
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No it isn't. The Xbox problem has been going for a decade. pS5 just has a weak launch. Not the same thing. If we look at 2021, PS looks quality but Xbox looks weak....as of right now anyway.
I doubt we will see Horizon nor Gran Turismo next year.
 
Another example of PS5 having more details (Unified ram>Split ram) and this time XSX running better at 120fps.
BL3 is one of those rare games that's a port up. Xbox One X got assets from Xbox One which is why One Xs assets are lower than PS Pros. Series X is working with those assets. Outside of the assets, it runs really well. Great frame rate and nice bump in physics.

No developers are complaining about Series X memory. They have complained about bugs in SFS which is what is creating I/O bottlenecks and overworking the CPU. Microsoft is hoping to have a fix for that with an update coming out soon. Borderlands 3 does not look to be impacted by that.
 
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In general, I'm hearing some really cool things about ML. Not just super resolution but there may be a surprise regarding backwards compatability soon. Kind of been hoping and somewhat expecting ML to have a big impact on older games. In the end, tools will be the story all gen. Microsoft's ML efficiencies will enable great possibilities with tools.

The problem with running ML real time and why we didn't see it applied much in gaming beyond some light implementation in BC on the One X is that it can be computationally heavy. Hardware accelerated ML just means you can run real time models and still have a lot left over. If you bought the Series X for hardware capabilities, you'll get what you paid for. DF freeze frame comparisons would've never justified the power delta regardless.
 
No it isn't. The Xbox problem has been going for a decade. pS5 just has a weak launch. Not the same thing. If we look at 2021, PS looks quality but Xbox looks weak....as of right now anyway.
Voice of reason.
 
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