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I'm sure you can still get jiggy with it though

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Wait, wait.....this is some real bizarro thinking. You like Xbox without GP? So, you don't like saving money by having access to lots of titles. GP Ultimate is about $120 for a year and that's only if you don't take advantage of all the sales. So, for the price of two games ( except PS5 games, those are more expensive) you get access to hundreds of titles. If you like a game on GP you can purchase it at a 20% discount, dlc at 10% discount.

I just don't understand what you're complaining about. MSFT is adding a lot of value for minimal cost and you're complaining about it? If you don't like saving money or the games available on Xbox then you should move to another platform. But if you like saving money while having access to loads of titles then you should look into a GP subscription.
Bizzaro thinking? This is how the majority of XB gamers think as non subscribers make up the majority.

If I am ever forced into GP, I would go leave with the quickness.
 
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Console gamers don't care about PC, and most people don't have gaming rigs. So I would say the best scenario would be Xbox and Switch. And then just use PS Now on the PC that most people have at home to play the few exclusives that PS has. I think they plan on bumping up the PS Now to 1080p soon from 720p.

First off, I'm a console gamer and I care about PC. So your point is invalid there.

Secondly, this report from back in August 2020 states there are 3 billion gamers worldwide and nearly half of them play on PC. So again your point of "most people" is invalid because this shows there are plenty of people gaming on PC's.


"The data here is from DFC Intelligence, via PCGamesN, and suggests that the PC-versus-console framing for understanding gaming is outdated. Only 8 percent of gamers identify exclusively as console gamers, meaning most gamers play across multiple devices. At any rate, the PC market was expected to grow at 3.5 percent CAGR through 2022 back in 2019."

Though, it is true, that this 8% spend the most money per gaming device.

So like I said, since all of Xbox exclusives can be played on PC, then PC/PS (and Switch) if you want has been the perfect combo for nearly half of the gaming population ( me included ).
 
Bizzaro thinking? This is how the majority of XB gamers think as non subscribers make up the majority.

If I am ever forced into GP, I would go leave with the quickness.
Its crazy talk because you act like GP is taking things away. Its the exact opposite. MSFT is pouring in a huge amount of resources to entice more Xbox gamers into the GP ecosystem. They have devs making a lot of games that will appear Day 1 on GP. In the meantime you can play what's on offer now and its a huge list.

If you like paying full price for games then by all means don't subscribe. But I don't see how GP hurts nonsubscribers, if anything its getting harder and harder not to subscribe if you want to save while being able to play a lot of different games. It really sounds like you're just looking for something to complain about but GP is the wrong target. Sure, you can get on MSFT for their lack of exclusives but there's still a lot of value on the Xbox platform.
 
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First off, I'm a console gamer and I care about PC. So your point is invalid there.

I was talking about console gamers. Gamers that only want to game on consoles. Not gamers who enjoy gaming on multiple devices.

Secondly, this report from back in August 2020 states there are 3 billion gamers worldwide and nearly half of them play on PC. So again your point of "most people" is invalid because this shows there are plenty of people gaming on PC's.

Those gamers are the Facebook and Candy Crush gamers. Look at the PC game sales compared to console game sales for the games that WE play. The absolute vast majority of PCs can't run games like Horizon Zero Dawn, Cyberpunk 2077, Flight Simulator or Gears 5.

So like I said, since all of Xbox exclusives can be played on PC, then PC/PS (and Switch) if you want has been the perfect combo for nearly half of the gaming population ( me included ).

But for console gamers, PC does nothing for them. So Xbox and Switch is best for them, and then they can use their potato pc that has candy crush on it, can play God of War 2 on PS Now.
 
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I bet there's a pretty good percentage of actual active xbox users that use GP, there's no way of knowing actual numbers except for people subscribed so anything we say is pretty much a guessing game.
 
I was talking about console gamers. Gamers that only want to game on consoles. Not gamers who enjoy gaming on multiple devices.



Those gamers are the Facebook and Candy Crush gamers. Look at the PC game sales compared to console game sales for the games that WE play. The absolute vast majority of PCs can't run games like Horizon Zero Dawn, Cyberpunk 2077, Flight Simulator or Gears 5.



But for console gamers, PC does nothing for them. So Xbox and Switch is best for them, and then they can use their potato pc that has candy crush on it, can play God of War 2 on PS Now.

You were talking about console exclusive gamers then. The 8% of the gaming population.

Where is your data to back that claim up re: FB and Candy Crush gamers?

"According to NewZoo, the most popular games on PC right now are League of Legends, Rainbow Six: Siege, Valorant, Minecraft, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, GTA V, CoD: Modern Warfare, Overwatch, Apex Legends, and PUBG. The most popular games on Steam? CS:Go, DOTA 2, PUBG, Fall Guys, and GTA V."

Doesn't look like Candy Crush to me.

Yes, you're right in terms of sales, like I said the 8% console exclusive gamers spend the most money on their devices.

For those that want only to game on consoles, then the best combo IMO would be $399 PS5 digital, $299 XSS and a Switch if they want the best of all worlds. Or if you don't want a Switch you can get a PS5/XSX for around the same amount of money.
 
Its crazy talk because you act like GP is taking things away. Its the exact opposite. MSFT is pouring in a huge amount of resources to entice more Xbox gamers into the GP ecosystem. They have devs making a lot of games that will appear Day 1 on GP. In the meantime you can play what's on offer now and its a huge list.

If you like paying full price for games then by all means don't subscribe. But I don't see how GP hurts nonsubscribers, if anything its getting harder and harder not to subscribe if you want to save while being able to play a lot of different games. It really sounds like you're just looking for something to complain about but GP is the wrong target. Sure, you can get on MSFT for their lack of exclusives but there's still a lot of value on the Xbox platform.
I see what they are doing. This doesn't change what else I see.

Also for me/most Buying>Renting you guys saying otherwise are the minority.
 
I bet there's a pretty good percentage of actual active xbox users that use GP, there's no way of knowing actual numbers except for people subscribed so anything we say is pretty much a guessing game.
We know less than 25 million and that's with inflated subs($1 for 90 days) and being on many platforms.
That's a pretty small % actually.

However... it has grown at a decent rate.
 
You were talking about console exclusive gamers then. The 8% of the gaming population.

Where is your data to back that claim up re: FB and Candy Crush gamers?

"According to NewZoo, the most popular games on PC right now are League of Legends, Rainbow Six: Siege, Valorant, Minecraft, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, GTA V, CoD: Modern Warfare, Overwatch, Apex Legends, and PUBG. The most popular games on Steam? CS:Go, DOTA 2, PUBG, Fall Guys, and GTA V."

Doesn't look like Candy Crush to me.

Yes, you're right in terms of sales, like I said the 8% console exclusive gamers spend the most money on their devices.

For those that want only to game on consoles, then the best combo IMO would be $399 PS5 digital, $299 XSS and a Switch if they want the best of all worlds. Or if you don't want a Switch you can get a PS5/XSX for around the same amount of money.
Where is their data on the casual games are are in the wall garden of facebook, and similar? Look at Steam and the average PC. Most of th e PC's on steam alone don't meet the minimum for the newest games.

There are billions of PC's in the world. You think they are playing all those shooters? No. Most people are playing candy crush, slots, minesweep and solitaire on them.
 
Peril?
Only peril is a service that is bleeding nonstop from major acquisitions and $1 for 3 month subs.

What you need to do is step back from propaganda and ask yourself is.. how long will they allow this bleeding?

If you can put aside the xboy in you or stop drinking the green kool-aid for a moment you wound admit that IF such a service/plan were to change the industry,it wouldn't be this generation.

But wait according to you it's so good that Xbox is overtaking PS5 by 2022!
For years I've noticed that when you struggle to have a discussion, you resort to insults. Gather yourself man!

For sake of argument....the Game Pass cult is growing fast. You can't stop them.

I like Xbox without GP.
I am apart of the biggest part of Xbox's ecosystem,the non GP subscribers... When are they going to acknowledge us?

I am tired of only hearing about the minority.. what about the majority?
WE are the foundation!

It's pacing to be 50 million subs by end of 2022/early 2023. More subs than there was Xbox consoles most of last gen. Welcome to the minority.
 
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Why would I? I've been here for YEARS lol, I have a Series X coming in the next couple of days, ordered it this morning like a moron lol but I still don't know what the hell I'm going to play on it for the next year or two. BTW It was really easy to get one, just follow the restock info on twitter, got one from gamestop this morning on my first try. Sadly they were only doing it through all access so like it or not I'm a GPU member for 2 years so yes I know I complain about GP but it was also the only way to get the system purchased today and my impatient impulse buying ass couldn't wait. I will probably use the service less than anyone else who has it lol.
You may wanna post said link here in the help thread

 
JinCa, I know you're not a Halo guy anymore. But you have to at least play Halo 3 now. Idk if it's the res up scale, improved assets or the 60fps, but it's so freaking good now.
 
Where is their data on the casual games are are in the wall garden of facebook, and similar? Look at Steam and the average PC. Most of th e PC's on steam alone don't meet the minimum for the newest games.

There are billions of PC's in the world. You think they are playing all those shooters? No. Most people are playing candy crush, slots, minesweep and solitaire on them.

Don't think so. I believe you can play all those on mobile now. Smartphones are pretty much mini-PC's these days with all the games they can play.

Again, where is the source for all these claims? I've shown you mine already that came from a data analysis company called DFC Intelligence which has almost 30 years of experience.

"DFC Intelligence was established in 1994 and its core team has over 100 years of combined experience in the game and digital media industry. DFC has done major research and consulting projects for most of the largest companies involved in the industry. Over 300 companies in over 30 countries worldwide have bought our syndicated research reports."

Anyways, my point was for console exclusive gamers, for a similar amount of money as purchasing/building a decent gaming PC rig, you can buy all 3 of the next-gen consoles, PS5, XSX or XSS, Switch.

For multi-device gamers such as myself, PC/PS best way to go and MS's made it easier since all their Xbox games is and will be on PC going forward.
 
For years I've noticed that when you struggle to have a discussion, you resort to insults. Gather yourself man!

For sake of argument....the Game Pass cult is growing fast. You can't stop them.



It's pacing to be 50 million subs by end of 2022/early 2023. More subs than there was Xbox consoles most of last gen. Welcome to the minority.
I didn't insult you.
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50 million is still in the minority.
 
JinCa, I know you're not a Halo guy anymore. But you have to at least play Halo 3 now. Idk if it's the res up scale, improved assets or the 60fps, but it's so freaking good now.
I'll check it out.
 
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You may wanna post said link here in the help thread

I got it from that Matt guy on twitter, he's been updating that for a while I'm sure there is already a link in that thread to his twitter account but if not I can add it.
 
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Well, although Sony has done much better on that front over the past several years (probably the entire X1 v. PS4 era, if we're honest, and the tail end of the 360 days), we also need to keep in mind that their fans also get to tout that they can pay again to replay a graphically souped up version of a game from 15 years ago (Demon's Souls), a remake of a 20+ year old game (FF7), an expansion to an existing game (Spiderman), etc. On the MS side, we get a lot of improved BC titles but I guess since you don't have to buy them again they're nothing? *shrug* I think your last sentences are the absolute best, though - though I'd go further and say that there's not one winning strategy if you're not playing the same game. Sony is probably going to have the most consoles sold again, and Gamepass will probably dwarf PSNow or whatever else they come up with on that front. I don't see the whole point in pissing matches over console sales or sub numbers, since those by themselves mean nothing - if MS wants to win the first, they just sell the XSX for $99, or Sony can sell a year of PSNow for $9 and include PS5 games in it. As long as the companies are making good money and hopefully making good games, if they want to attack different segments of the market, like Nintendo has, more power to them.

How about buying The Last of Us for a third time instead of free upgrades? Or PS5 owners having to buy Spider-Man AGAIN within 2 years for the upgraded graphics from the PS4.

To be fair, there's been a whole bunch of remastered titles over the past years and I didn't see some of you Xbox fans complaining then.

Nintendo has the Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening, Panzer Dragoon, Mario Kart / Mario Party are basically the same games, haven't changed much from WII U.

Xbox has Halo: Master Chief collection, Gears of War Ultimate collection then there are remastered multiplatforms COD MW, COD MW 2, Resident Evil 2, Resident Evil, Resident Evil 3, Crash Bandicoot N. sane trilogy, Spyro Reignited, Metro Redux series, Shenmue 1 and 2, Bioshock collection, Burnout Paradise, borderlands handsome collection, Dark Souls, GTA V, Skyrim, Tomb Raider Definitive Edition... the list goes on.

Demon's Souls is a complete remastered version that is better in all accounts. FF7 Remake is a completely different game than the original, from the way you play to graphics and its plot. It's more like a parallel universe with different storytelling and the verdict is still out on where Square Enix is going with the story and its subsequent part remakes because it is definitely not the same. I admit, Miles is more of like a 10 hours DLC but it's also selling at a lower price. It's a nice bridge story between Spiderman 1 and its sequel while introducing us to Miles.

My point is, this isn't something new over the past decade. Where was all the outrage back then? If there wasn't any, why now?
 
To be fair, there's been a whole bunch of remastered titles over the past years and I didn't see some of you Xbox fans complaining then.

Nintendo has the Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening, Panzer Dragoon, Mario Kart / Mario Party are basically the same games, haven't changed much from WII U.

Xbox has Halo: Master Chief collection, Gears of War Ultimate collection then there are remastered multiplatforms COD MW, COD MW 2, Resident Evil 2, Resident Evil, Resident Evil 3, Crash Bandicoot N. sane trilogy, Spyro Reignited, Metro Redux series, Shenmue 1 and 2, Bioshock collection, Burnout Paradise, borderlands handsome collection, Dark Souls, GTA V, Skyrim, Tomb Raider Definitive Edition... the list goes on.

Demon's Souls is a complete remastered version that is better in all accounts. FF7 Remake is a completely different game than the original, from the way you play to graphics and its plot. It's more like a parallel universe with different storytelling and the verdict is still out on where Square Enix is going with the story and its subsequent part remakes because it is definitely not the same. I admit, Miles is more of like a 10 hours DLC but it's also selling at a lower price. It's a nice bridge story between Spiderman 1 and its sequel while introducing us to Miles.

My point is, this isn't something new over the past decade. Where was all the outrage back then? If there wasn't any, why now?
Demon's Souls is a full remake not remaster :) I'm sure that's what you meant to say. Oh and Xbox remastered Fable in the past as well and I wish they do it again but for all 3 of them lol. I would much rather pay to play a remade version of a game with new assets etc than play an old game in BC for free. The games that get the 4K BC enhancements are fine but most of the BC games don't have that, they usually look really bad and they were made to run at much lower res tv's than most here have. There are a lot of games I'd like to see get full remakes like GTA Vice City, GTAV, Kameo (and a sequel) The Force Unleashed games, Battlefield BC 2, Saints Row, Hydro Thunder, ES Oblivion and I could go on and on. I have no problem paying for a remake if they actually do the work, I would prefer that over a smeared badly upscaled game from 2001-2013, as I said that 4K update some get helps split the difference but a true remake would always be the choice I'd go with.
 
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I watched a video about gamepass a while ago. One comment about the video sums it up perfectly for many people.

"Gamepass is good value, but there is not a lot of good games."

You can give me a collection of CDs (for analogy sake) but none of the songs I like for 10bucks, but I rather spend 15bucks on one CD with the songs I like.

Value is NOT what you GET for your money, value is getting the things you WANT, for the money.

For gamepass to be successful, it need to have flow of good games people wanted to play.
 
I didn't see some of you Xbox fans complaining then.

I am a PS and Xbox fan. Just prefer Xbox a little more because it has more games that I like.

Demon's Souls is a full remake not remaster :)

Same game, same characters, same bosses, same map, same campaign, same animations. Even the devs said that if you could play the first Demon's Souls in your with your eyes closed, you could do this one.

I would say reserve "remakes" for games like FFVII Remake.
 
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I am a PS and Xbox fan. Just prefer Xbox a little more because it has more games that I like.



Same game, same characters, same bosses, same map, same campaign, same animations. Even the devs said that if you could play the first Demon's Souls in your with your eyes closed, you could do this one.

I would say reserve "remakes" for games like FFVII Remake.

From the way you post, it's more like preferring Xbox "a lot more". :tounge:

10 major differences between the Demon's Souls remake and original

I would say it's a remake. They've upgraded enough from the original's visuals and some gameplay aspects while remaining faithful to what made the original so well received.

Remastered are more for titles that just got upgraded resolution but game engine is basically the same.

You can usually tell because remakes differences are so apparent as opposed to remasters.

You can't compare titles like Demon's Souls Remake, FF7 Part 1 remake to some BC enhanced Xbox titles. The devs have changed a lot more of those remakes than just a patch and you guys know it.

Look at Gears 5. While the enhancements are welcome, you can tell it's the same game.



Now look at the big difference between Demon's Souls original and remake.



Same with FF7 Remake and original, even more stark differences.

 
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I watched a video about gamepass a while ago. One comment about the video sums it up perfectly for many people.

"Gamepass is good value, but there is not a lot of good games."

You can give me a collection of CDs (for analogy sake) but none of the songs I like for 10bucks, but I rather spend 15bucks on one CD with the songs I like.

Value is NOT what you GET for your money, value is getting the things you WANT, for the money.

For gamepass to be successful, it need to have flow of good games people wanted to play.
It has many good games though.
Of course it won't t have Sony's games. Lol.
 
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