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Personally I really like remakes of classics. MGS was one of the top 10 games of all time for me...but it doesn't hold up. RE2 was one of the best games of 2019. Demon Souls is the #1 thing I was to play on the PS5 when I get my hands on one.

As long as these are high quality, high effort remakes, I think they're smart as hell. So far Sony has a damned good record with remakes. Not throwing Sony shade if they're actually getting hold of these IPs and doing them justice. Will buy all of them. Was not buying Days Gone. Wish Halo CE's remake was as good as Sony's efforts.

While I like to discuss directions of gaming, I do think people tend to get lost in these comparisons from a console war angle. Just because one thing excites you the most, it doesn't make the other thing suck.
 
It has many good games though.
Of course it won't t have Sony's games. Lol.
That's all subjective, I've had it in the past and most of it is filler to me, a huge portion is xbox 360 games as well which they probably get to add for much cheaper than xbox one or current gen games.
 
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That's all subjective, I've had it in the past and most of it is filler to me, a huge portion is xbox 360 games as well which they probably get to add for much cheaper than xbox one or current gen games.
There are more current popular third party games than 360 games.
 
From the way you post, it's more like preferring Xbox "a lot more". :tounge:

10 major differences between the Demon's Souls remake and original

I would say it's a remake. They've upgraded enough from the original's visuals and some gameplay aspects while remaining faithful to what made the original so well received.

Remastered are more for titles that just got upgraded resolution but game engine is basically the same.

You can usually tell because remakes differences are so apparent as opposed to remasters.

You can't compare titles like Demon's Souls Remake, FF7 Part 1 remake to some BC enhanced Xbox titles. The devs have changed a lot more of those remakes than just a patch and you guys know it.

Look at Gears 5. While the enhancements are welcome, you can tell it's the same game.



Now look at the big difference between Demon's Souls original and remake.



Same with FF7 Remake and original, even more stark differences.


Demon's Souls is a remake, saying it's a remaster is sill. Remasters don't get entirely rebuilt from the ground up with new graphics, physics, animations (yes they are new they are just timed to respond the same as the old one) changes to some of the gameplay and more. Something like what EA is doing with the mass effect collection that's coming out that's a remaster, they didn't make any new assets they are just adding some new graphical tricks to them.
 
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We will agree to disagree.

For what it's worth, a lot of gaming sites call it a remake too.

Demon Souls is an 11 year old game. Of course the remake is going to look better than a next gen patch or whatever to a more recent game.

Ok then let's compare a 10 year old Xbox game. Gears 3 on the 360 and Series X.



As you can see, the differences here as compared to the difference in Demon's Souls remake is huge. That's the difference between a completely revamped engine/visuals vs just a patch. Gears 3 while looking bit better, still looks like the same game and is using the same old engine. If you looked at the comparison for Demon's Souls I posted, it looks like a completely different game and that's why one is free and the other isn't. Bluepoint has done a whole lot more than what a patch did to Gears 3. You really can't compare the two at all.
 
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There are more current popular third party games than 360 games.
Popular? I just did a quick scan and there are around 60 360 and OG xbox games on there that are labelled and I know more just don't have the 360 logo on them. There aren't even 60 currently popular 3rd party games out right now lol. If you are talking games that may have been popular 5 years ago maybe you are right but current games I don't see it. It's a lot of filler,
 
I'm talking about XBO games when I say current games.
You make it sound like it's all 360 games.
 
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Mangoes, that Gears 3 video shows improvement just based on hardware. It's not even a remaster or remake.

The game and others like it are improved at a hardware based level.

Thats not a bad thing is it?
 
I'm talking about XBO games when I say current games.
You make it sound like it's all 360 games.
You said current not current gen so I thought you meant like within the last year or so not 5 or 6 years old so just a misunderstanding there. It's not all 360 games but a large chunk of it is plus most of the X1 games are just filler same as any subscription service.
 
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You said current not current gen so I thought you meant like within the last year or so not 5 or 6 years old so just a misunderstanding there. It's not all 360 games but a large chunk of it is plus most of the X1 games are just filler same as any subscription service.
I think it's a good mix with some current day and date games. But I guess we're not going to agree.
 
Mangoes, that Gears 3 video shows improvement just based on hardware. It's not even a remaster or remake.

The game and others like it are improved at a hardware based level.

Thats not a bad thing is it?

No, it's not a bad thing because it's free.

Just trying to explain the difference to Hedon and Hrudey if you go couple pages back of why something like Gears 3/5 patch is free and Demon's Souls Remake, FF7 remake requires a purchase. The answer is because of the developers' efforts put into the remakes. You can't compare a free patch with minimal work vs a studio putting in tons of time revamping the whole remake/game.
 
Who's saying that Demon Souls isn't a remake?

I did. FFVII Remake is what I would call a remake IMO. Demon's Souls I would call a remaster, IMO. But if we are going to call it a remake, we might as well call Gears 5 on Series X a remake. Just like Demon's Souls, it's the exact same game, same campaign, same map, same characters, same animations, same bosses, same exact moves, same weapons. While Blue Point did redo the assets in DS, it's still the same game.

Gears 5 has drastic changes for Xbox Series X:

  • Reduced loading times
  • VRR
  • VRS
  • High Quality Volumetric Lighting
  • 120fps
  • 4K Ultra with Ultra-HD Pack
  • Ultra Specs
  • Screen Space Global Illumination
  • Contract Shadows
  • Dynamic Latency Input
  • Ability to swap in a new character
  • Difficulty Multipliers
  • Further draw distance

All free. Not $1. Not $70. Free.
 
You said current not current gen so I thought you meant like within the last year or so not 5 or 6 years old so just a misunderstanding there. It's not all 360 games but a large chunk of it is plus most of the X1 games are just filler same as any subscription service.

You put too many popular games in that's when the service starts bleeding money, I think it has a pretty good mix of classic 360 games, filler games and popular games, sure it could be more but I've never not had anything to play so I'm happy with it.
 
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I did. FFVII Remake is what I would call a remake IMO. Demon's Souls I would call a remaster, IMO. But if we are going to call it a remake, we might as well call Gears 5 on Series X a remake. Just like Demon's Souls, it's the exact same game, same campaign, same map, same characters, same animations, same bosses, same exact moves, same weapons. While Blue Point did redo the assets in DS, it's still the same game.

Gears 5 has drastic changes for Xbox Series X:

  • Reduced loading times
  • VRR
  • VRS
  • High Quality Volumetric Lighting
  • 120fps
  • 4K Ultra with Ultra-HD Pack
  • Ultra Specs
  • Screen Space Global Illumination
  • Contract Shadows
  • Dynamic Latency Input
  • Ability to swap in a new character
  • Difficulty Multipliers
  • Further draw distance

All free. Not $1. Not $70. Free.

Not to mention a great little expansion too.
 
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You put too many popular games in that's when the service starts bleeding money, I think it has a pretty good mix of classic 360 games, filler games and popular games, sure it could be more but I've never not had anything to play so I'm happy with it.

Popular games don't release every week and xbox doesn't have enough first party volume right now to even have a real subscription service IMO, while they clearly have one on offer I think it was pretty s***ty of them to start it before they actually had enough studios to provide content. When the games start releasing be it AA or AAA they'll also have to start raising the price, they are going to need to start recouping the money they spent making these games.

I'm glad you've had a decent time with it, I buy every game I want to play so when I had the service I found maybe one game that I otherwise wouldn't have played otherwise it was just a bunch of "channel surfing" looking through the catalog only to close it out and play something I already have.
 
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Same everything except Xbox Series consoles have more performance drops/dip more. When both dip, PS5 has a 9-11 fps advantage during the dips. Pretty interesting here that the XSS is 1080p? Thought it would be at least 1440p. Also thought XSX performance would be better than the PS5's given resolution usually is the XSX's strong suit.



- PS5 and XsX are native 4k, the game looks identical between the two systems (according to Rich), same textures, post-processing, lighting, shadows, etc. All graphics settings the same. No DRS, holds native 4k.
- Series S - 1080p, possibly lower res textures than XsX and PS5?
- Framerate dips on all platforms, including PS5 and XsX
- PS5 does have framerate advantage, the hard dips happen on both consoles but dip harder on XsX
- Hard dips are mostly exclusive to non-interactive cutscenes.
- Interactive gameplay is mostly 60 with some small dips on both consoles (more frequent small dips on XsX than PS5)
- Series S has similar performance target but less stable than both XsX and PS5

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PS5 8.4s, XSX 11.8s, Pro 20.5s

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I did. FFVII Remake is what I would call a remake IMO. Demon's Souls I would call a remaster, IMO. But if we are going to call it a remake, we might as well call Gears 5 on Series X a remake. Just like Demon's Souls, it's the exact same game, same campaign, same map, same characters, same animations, same bosses, same exact moves, same weapons. While Blue Point did redo the assets in DS, it's still the same game.

Gears 5 has drastic changes for Xbox Series X:

  • Reduced loading times
  • VRR
  • VRS
  • High Quality Volumetric Lighting
  • 120fps
  • 4K Ultra with Ultra-HD Pack
  • Ultra Specs
  • Screen Space Global Illumination
  • Contract Shadows
  • Dynamic Latency Input
  • Ability to swap in a new character
  • Difficulty Multipliers
  • Further draw distance

All free. Not $1. Not $70. Free.
This has been available on PC since release day. Doubt it took much effort to implement the additional settings on the XSX to warrant the cost of a nickel. I'd be pissed if it wasn't for free. Demon Souls remake, on the other hand, I'd gladly pay full price. A PS3 game can't be updated with that visual fidelity with a simple patch.
 
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Popular games don't release every week and xbox doesn't have enough first party volume right now to even have a real subscription service IMO, while they clearly have one on offer I think it was pretty s***ty of them to start it before they actually had enough studios to provide content. When the games start releasing be it AA or AAA they'll also have to start raising the price, they are going to need to start recouping the money they spent making these games.

I'm glad you've had a decent time with it, I buy every game I want to play so when I had the service I found maybe one game that I otherwise wouldn't have played otherwise it was just a bunch of "channel surfing" looking through the catalog only to close it out and play something I already have.

Yea the price will definitely go up in the future, it's pretty standard for subscription services and like you said will probably go up when they start releasing internally made games.

I guess it's better for finding games you wouldn't usually play or missed out on with a dash of big game offerings.
 
DF: MLB The Show Analysis

Same everything except Xbox Series consoles have more performance drops/dip more. Pretty interesting here that the XSS is 1080p? Thought it would be at least 1440p. Also thought XSX performance would be better than the PS5's given resolution usually is the XSX's strong suit.



- PS5 and XsX are native 4k, the game looks identical between the two systems (according to Rich), same textures, post-processing, lighting, shadows, etc. All graphics settings the same. No DRS, holds native 4k.
- Series S - 1080p, possibly lower res textures than XsX and PS5?
- Framerate dips on all platforms, including PS5 and XsX
- PS5 does have framerate advantage, the hard dips happen on both consoles but dip harder on XsX
- Hard dips are mostly exclusive to non-interactive cutscenes.
- Interactive gameplay is mostly 60 with some small dips on both consoles (more frequent small dips on XsX than PS5)
- Series S has similar performance target but less stable than both XsX and PS5

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Makes sense. Sony would want the game to perform best on their system.
 
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This has been available on PC since release day. Doubt it took much effort to implement the additional settings on the XSX to warrant the cost of a nickel. I'd be pissed if it wasn't for free. Demon Souls remake, on the other hand, I'd gladly pay full price. A PS3 game can't be updated with that visual fidelity with a simple patch.
Yeah, I only read that they spent "months" working on the Gears 5 update for console.
 
Makes sense. Sony would want the game to perform best on their system.

I was waiting for someone to say this.

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Fun fact: The One X won in the head to head against the Pro so there's that.

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PS5 8.4s, XSX 11.8s, Pro 20.5s
 
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