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Sales Comparisons v. 1.6
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the article starseeker posted is saying that MS has shipped 10 million consoles to Sony's 13.5 million. other articles on the web is saying MS sold 10 million consoles to Sony's 13.5 million. but, the original statement ( http://news.xbox.com/2014/11/xbox-one-sales-on-the-rise ) says that this was shipped only to retail and shortly.
my question: how do you define "shortly" in Yusuf's definition?
the worldwide lead by Sony was setting around the 5+ or even the 6 million mark. MS won two weeks..........only in the states for the entire year while losing everywhere else.
Weekly Hardware 8th November 2014
N. America - Europe - Japan - worldwide
PS4: 154,331 - 192,037 - 9,828 - 434,849
XB1: 297,712 - 64,716 - 665 - 415,435
PS3: 18,460 - 33,048 - 4,451 - 69,639
360: 42,427 - 15,929 - 106 - 67,384
the above is just one of those weeks to help shine some light on this subject. notice the category MS scored great at for the week of Nov. when compared to Sony's console. but as you move off to the far right, the total global figures practically balance out with Sony holding a slight edge. still following me?
ok, let's say we give MS the benefit of the doubt and drop about 80k units on what they already have for the XB1 global figures. that gives them a 60+ k lead over Sony for the week. let's say the next 3 weeks score roughly the same. what, ~240 or even 300k. lead now? looking at the global figures with a gap of 5+ to 6 million difference with Sony ahead of the pack. even when deducting that number from the global sales gap that MS is behind, THE LEAST that Sony would still be ahead of MS globally is 5 million. so even with all that effort, it didn't even make a dent.
my point is starseeker's post has it that some how that gap has shrank tremendously and in two weeks? as you can see with the 360, despite the massive edge it has in one area, it might as well be nonexistent when compared to the global figures. to close that gap, MS would have to tie with Sony everywhere else and maintain the lead they have in the states for a year or two. the problem I see with that is the type of deal they are running; its a limited time offer for the holiday. Sony will be launching in China in Dec. so whatever lead MS accumulated in the states to attempt closing the massive gap Sony has ahead of them, China's launch numbers are going to take most if not all of it right back. then we move into next year where exclusives are lined up. so i'm not getting how the gap has become so narrow in so little time as the headlines seem to eagerly point out.
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Oh, okay, your phrasing confused me.
Yeah, there's no way a 2-week lead translates to closing the global gap from 5.5 million to 3.5 million. That would mean MS sold a million more consoles than Sony, each week, for those two weeks. Ridiculous.
I think the confusion arises because the 10 and the 13.5 million figures are not comparable. They cover different timeframes and I suspect are based on different definitions of "sold."
There are probably some word play that makes some data more impressive than the actually are. Its a norm in the gaming industry unfortunately. Both console makers & publishers are guilty of that.
When sales are not impressive, they either keep silence or lump last gen consoles together, or use unquantifiable terms like it sold so & so consoles more than a week ago.
The last time MS claimed that they sold double of the previous week, turned out the sales for the previous week was drastically lower, when they announced Kinectless SKU. So everything must be taken with a pints of salt.
When PS3 sales were not good, Sony also used to lump PS3 & PS2 sales together, & use sales to retailers as sold number. Now the roles are just reversed.
If I would make an educational guess, MS will ship & will reach about 10 million in preparation for the holidays. No data is available for PS4, so they used the last known figures (not sure sold through or not). My guess is they would have shipped 16-18million to retailers by the holidays.
When sales are not impressive, they either keep silence or lump last gen consoles together, or use unquantifiable terms like it sold so & so consoles more than a week ago.
The last time MS claimed that they sold double of the previous week, turned out the sales for the previous week was drastically lower, when they announced Kinectless SKU. So everything must be taken with a pints of salt.
When PS3 sales were not good, Sony also used to lump PS3 & PS2 sales together, & use sales to retailers as sold number. Now the roles are just reversed.
If I would make an educational guess, MS will ship & will reach about 10 million in preparation for the holidays. No data is available for PS4, so they used the last known figures (not sure sold through or not). My guess is they would have shipped 16-18million to retailers by the holidays.
It's really not a mystery.
On August 12th Sony announced they sold 10m units to consumers. This means their shipped to retailer number is higher (because there are obviously units sitting on the shelf when they made that announcement). Let's assume WW there are 2m units on shelves (which is kind of low), so at that point in time it was 10m to consumers, 12m to retailers. Fast forward to Nov after Destiny launch Sony announces they hit 13.5m. We can scratch out it being the sold to retailer number unless one wants to put forth the argument that between August to Nov Sony sold no units to consumers and that same 2m units were sitting on store shelves untouched, their sales just came to a halt. In the US alone cumulatively for August, Sept, Oct they hit 1m in sales. Getting 2.5m from the rest of the world in that same time frame isn't out of the question at all. Given that it's the holidays Sony would ship more units to retailers in advance, so we'll say 3-m units. That gives the estimate that most analysts are pegging the end of the year number at 17m.
Sony's 13.5m number is obviously their estimated number sold to consumers. Unless someone wants argue that from August to end of October, PS4 sales completely cratered all around the world and as such Sony switched to shipped to retailer estimates when they announced the 13.5m number (which would also mean Sony flat out lied on their financial report that were just released...which is totally illegal).
MS' numbers by their own statement is their estimates for number shipped to retailer already accounting for the holiday shipments. XBO will take November and December in the US, but that won't be enough to offset the difference WW.
On August 12th Sony announced they sold 10m units to consumers. This means their shipped to retailer number is higher (because there are obviously units sitting on the shelf when they made that announcement). Let's assume WW there are 2m units on shelves (which is kind of low), so at that point in time it was 10m to consumers, 12m to retailers. Fast forward to Nov after Destiny launch Sony announces they hit 13.5m. We can scratch out it being the sold to retailer number unless one wants to put forth the argument that between August to Nov Sony sold no units to consumers and that same 2m units were sitting on store shelves untouched, their sales just came to a halt. In the US alone cumulatively for August, Sept, Oct they hit 1m in sales. Getting 2.5m from the rest of the world in that same time frame isn't out of the question at all. Given that it's the holidays Sony would ship more units to retailers in advance, so we'll say 3-m units. That gives the estimate that most analysts are pegging the end of the year number at 17m.
Sony's 13.5m number is obviously their estimated number sold to consumers. Unless someone wants argue that from August to end of October, PS4 sales completely cratered all around the world and as such Sony switched to shipped to retailer estimates when they announced the 13.5m number (which would also mean Sony flat out lied on their financial report that were just released...which is totally illegal).
MS' numbers by their own statement is their estimates for number shipped to retailer already accounting for the holiday shipments. XBO will take November and December in the US, but that won't be enough to offset the difference WW.
I'm guessing XB1 ~8.0-8.5 mil, PS4 ~16-17 mil sold-through by the end of 2014.
PS4 sold-through 1 million in Germany.
Looking at Amazon, Xbox still has the upper hand in Nov NPD.
PS4 sold-through 1 million in Germany.
Looking at Amazon, Xbox still has the upper hand in Nov NPD.
2:1 advantage ? I'm guessing MS's aggressive price cuts recently have something to do about that.
Rip. That's a beat down if I've ever seen one.
Let's see if nov and dec will bring them back.
I don't want to say Sony is going to take Dec in the states (dampening sales probably), but with this PlayStation Experience on the 6th and 7th, i'm thinking that it is an event that should probably not be underestimated. I just find it way too suspicious why they would host something this large, a few weeks before Christmas, right on MS's turf.
Close the gap? I heard they now have a 3mil lead on PS4. Could just be a rumor though.
E3 (and events similar to E3) have never had a major impact on sales -- at least not during the same month as the event itself.
unless there is an incentive.
why use the resources here rather than the actual platform for the holiday season? something like this could have easily been held after the holiday. doesn't make a lot of sense.
It looked worse when you think that X1 sold 150,000 during launch period in 2013 & PS4 is widely unavailable until April in Germany. in 2014 til August with 3-4 months of no PS4, X1 manage to sell only 20,000, even with some good bundles & price drop (mostly from retailers). By contrast, only decent bundle from Sony is the destiny bundles.
I am not trying to pour salt into MS wound in Germany, but its hardly selling in 2014. Drastic measure are required if they are still interested to gain any meaning market share here.
You have to pay to get into the event. Only people who already own the PlayStation are going to go to that. It's not on MSs turf, it's in Las Vegas. Nobody who doesn't already have a PlayStation is going to shell out $55 to go to a PR event. They'd spend that on a Playstation game.
I'm still in shock that they're charging people to enter that event. That's some crazy PR tactics.
MS did not sell 10 millions. MS said they will shortly ship 10 million to retailer.~10 million is half of ~15 million?
Last data was estimated around 6 plus million to PS4 12 millions or so. Estimated as MS refused to let us how many they actually sold through.
Thought the 1/2 the numbers of consoles are pretty acceptable estimation here, & I am not the first to made this ratio, & ratio has been used quite often here.
If MS X1 sold like wild fire in the past 2 weeks, then maybe the ratio is closer, but thats not the point. Point is MS is lacking far behind in sales.
On the grander scale, the point is people keep pulling this MS hired smart people card, & they know more than pleasant gamers, & pleasant should keep mum.
If having smartest people is enough (never mind if MS have the smartest compared to the competition) , then why are MS lacking far behind in OS for mobile & tablets, especially when they were earlier in these markets?
Maybe having the smartest people aren't sure fire way to succeed. Maybe MS competitors are hiring smart people also. maybe its not even about these smart people, but decision makers. Many possibilities.
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