Sales Comparisons v. 1.6

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starseeker said:
MS did not sell 10 millions. MS said they will shortly ship 10 million to retailer.

Last data was estimated around 6 plus million to PS4 12 millions or so. Estimated as MS refused to let us how many they actually sold through.
Thought the 1/2 the numbers of consoles are pretty acceptable estimation here, & I am not the first to made this ratio, & ratio has been used quite often here.
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So people believe there are 4 million Xbox One's sitting on the shelf?
 
Plainview said:
So people believe there are 4 million Xbox One's sitting on the shelf?
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Totally missing the point....but anyway, already mention last data, which is like september.

Who knows how much X1 have sold since then, could be over 7 million now. Then again we also do not know how much PS4 is selling.

Probably there are a few millions X1 in the warehouse ready for the holidays, same with PS4.

Also the fact that MS did not say that they have shipped 10 million, they said they will shortly ship 10 million. Its up to interpretation how long is 'shortly'.
 
starseeker said:
Totally missing the point....but anyway, already mention last data, which is like september.

Who knows how much X1 have sold since then, could be over 7 million now. Then again we also do not know how much PS4 is selling.

Probably there are a few millions X1 in the warehouse ready for the holidays, same with PS4.

Also the fact that MS did not say that they have shipped 10 million, they said they will shortly ship 10 million. Its up to interpretation how long is 'shortly'.
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It's open to interpretation but common sense would say before Black Friday.
 
Plainview said:
You have to pay to get into the event. Only people who already own the PlayStation are going to go to that. It's not on MSs turf, it's in Las Vegas. Nobody who doesn't already have a PlayStation is going to shell out $55 to go to a PR event. They'd spend that on a Playstation game.
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WHAT?

oh please tell me you were joking just there. its Las Vegas for crying out loud! Las Vegas by itself is an event all on its own. its a tourist attraction, man. oh my goodness! money, and I mean LOTS of money is spent there. anything remotely close to that location is going to get attention, let alone an event (a massive event) dead in the center of it. you say it as if it were staged next to a shopping mall.

and for the record, MS's turf is NA where they are their strongest. Sony picked a very conspicuous location there just a few weeks before Christmas to hold a grand event for what reasons to be unknown at this time. yet, you nonchalantly shrug it off and assume that it is only targeting those possessing a PlayStation console? if that were the case, then why even bother hosting such an event NOW and in that location if those users are already in the bag?
 
Plainview said:
So people believe there are 4 million Xbox One's sitting on the shelf?
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Aren't the extra million or two ready to be shipped and not yet shipped by MS? It's for the holidays isn't it?

I think sold-through X1 has to be around 6.5-7 million by now.
 
Plainview said:
So people believe there are 4 million Xbox One's sitting on the shelf?
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MS has been LOSING worldwide every single month, nevermind their actual turf which they have just recently won, and that was only two weeks. they were real quick to point that out, which is very telling about where they actually were before when the NPD rolled in. if the gap was 5.5 to 6 million before MS stopped releasing sold numbers, and they never won a single month, how can two weeks close a gap that large even when you are losing everywhere else? the numbers will likely balance out when the global numbers are factored in. so you can't close a gap if you are running nose and nose on total numbers.
 
I heard there are cities in the United States where they're just burning all the X1s in local shopping centers for warmth. No one will buy them so they're just using them for fire wood. These are dark times for MS.
 
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Shawn Jelsic said:
WHAT?

oh please tell me you were joking just there. its Las Vegas for crying out loud! Las Vegas by itself is an event all on its own. its a tourist attraction, man. oh my goodness! money, and I mean LOTS of money is spent there. anything remotely close to that location is going to get attention, let alone an event (a massive event) dead in the center of it. you say it as if it were staged next to a shopping mall.

and for the record, MS's turf is NA where they are their strongest. Sony picked a very conspicuous location there just a few weeks before Christmas to hold a grand event for what reasons to be unknown at this time. yet, you nonchalantly shrug it off and assume that it is only targeting those possessing a PlayStation console? if that were the case, then why even bother hosting such an event NOW and in that location if those users are already in the bag?
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I disagree with this post almost completely and it will require taking this thread far off topic to discuss it further so I'll refrain.
 
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I heard there are cities in the United States where they're just burning all the X1s in local shopping centers for warmth. No one will buy them so they're just using them for fire wood. These are dark times for MS.
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They would probably go for a premium in Buffalo right now.
 
Ketto said:
It's really not a mystery.

On August 12th Sony announced they sold 10m units to consumers. This means their shipped to retailer number is higher (because there are obviously units sitting on the shelf when they made that announcement). Let's assume WW there are 2m units on shelves (which is kind of low), so at that point in time it was 10m to consumers, 12m to retailers. Fast forward to Nov after Destiny launch Sony announces they hit 13.5m. We can scratch out it being the sold to retailer number unless one wants to put forth the argument that between August to Nov Sony sold no units to consumers and that same 2m units were sitting on store shelves untouched, their sales just came to a halt. In the US alone cumulatively for August, Sept, Oct they hit 1m in sales. Getting 2.5m from the rest of the world in that same time frame isn't out of the question at all. Given that it's the holidays Sony would ship more units to retailers in advance, so we'll say 3-m units. That gives the estimate that most analysts are pegging the end of the year number at 17m.

Sony's 13.5m number is obviously their estimated number sold to consumers. Unless someone wants argue that from August to end of October, PS4 sales completely cratered all around the world and as such Sony switched to shipped to retailer estimates when they announced the 13.5m number (which would also mean Sony flat out lied on their financial report that were just released...which is totally illegal).

MS' numbers by their own statement is their estimates for number shipped to retailer already accounting for the holiday shipments. XBO will take November and December in the US, but that won't be enough to offset the difference WW.
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And how has Sony calculated sold through numbers? They must be magicians to know. They can only know how many units they actually made and shipped from their warehouses. With what they claimed last gen and were millions off their "sold through" numbers have 0 reliability and it's likelly only shipped numbers. And if the numbers that they are reporting are not actual "sold to retailers" then they would only need to be stupid to actually continue announcing it like that. Would it not be more impressive with MS stating we sold in 10Million and sony say we sold in 16million instead of saying we sold through 13? I mean they both try to inflate their numbers and make them seem as big as possible, so why would Sony then try to report lower number which they have no way of knowing vs reporting higher number (making gap look bigger) with actual sales data and not guestimates.

Those saying MS is refuzing to give you sold through numbers are just wrong as they have no way to tell you.

By the way, so average person goes to see sales numbers and what do they see? 10 million vs 15 or so million, and if Sony reported figures they actually do know and they looked like 10 million sold in vs 20 million sold in that looks like a much bigger difference and more likelly to sway person deceiding to go with PS4. So I say while I'm sure Sony does have sales lead, I call BS on their sold through numbers.
 
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Kreten said:
And how has Sony calculated sold through numbers? They must be magicians to know. They can only know how many units they actually made and shipped from their warehouses. With what they claimed last gen and were millions off their "sold through" numbers have 0 reliability and it's likelly only shipped numbers. And if the numbers that they are reporting are not actual "sold to retailers" then they would only need to be stupid to actually continue announcing it like that. Would it not be more impressive with MS stating we sold in 10Million and sony say we sold in 16million instead of saying we sold through 13? I mean they both try to inflate their numbers and make them seem as big as possible, so why would Sony then try to report lower number which they have no way of knowing vs reporting higher number (making gap look bigger) with actual sales data and not guestimates.
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Combination of NPD + company number estimates I'd presume.
 
Kreten said:
And how has Sony calculated sold through numbers? They must be magicians to know. They can only know how many units they actually made and shipped from their warehouses. With what they claimed last gen and were millions off their "sold through" numbers have 0 reliability and it's likelly only shipped numbers. And if the numbers that they are reporting are not actual "sold to retailers" then they would only need to be stupid to actually continue announcing it like that. Would it not be more impressive with MS stating we sold in 10Million and sony say we sold in 16million instead of saying we sold through 13? I mean they both try to inflate their numbers and make them seem as big as possible, so why would Sony then try to report lower number which they have no way of knowing vs reporting higher number (making gap look bigger) with actual sales data and not guestimates.

Those saying MS is refuzing to give you sold through numbers are just wrong as they have no way to tell you.

By the way, so average person goes to see sales numbers and what do they see? 10 million vs 15 or so million, and if Sony reported figures they actually do know and they looked like 10 million sold in vs 20 million sold in that looks like a much bigger difference and more likelly to sway person deceiding to go with PS4. So I say while I'm sure Sony does have sales lead, I call BS on their sold through numbers.
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Up until March, MS was also reporting sold through numbers.Just saying.
 
Kreten said:
And how has Sony calculated sold through numbers? They must be magicians to know. They can only know how many units they actually made and shipped from their warehouses. With what they claimed last gen and were millions off their "sold through" numbers have 0 reliability and it's likelly only shipped numbers. And if the numbers that they are reporting are not actual "sold to retailers" then they would only need to be stupid to actually continue announcing it like that. Would it not be more impressive with MS stating we sold in 10Million and sony say we sold in 16million instead of saying we sold through 13? I mean they both try to inflate their numbers and make them seem as big as possible, so why would Sony then try to report lower number which they have no way of knowing vs reporting higher number (making gap look bigger) with actual sales data and not guestimates.

Those saying MS is refuzing to give you sold through numbers are just wrong as they have no way to tell you.

By the way, so average person goes to see sales numbers and what do they see? 10 million vs 15 or so million, and if Sony reported figures they actually do know and they looked like 10 million sold in vs 20 million sold in that looks like a much bigger difference and more likelly to sway person deceiding to go with PS4. So I say while I'm sure Sony does have sales lead, I call BS on their sold through numbers.
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I honestly didn't read any of this.
 
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Plainview said:
So people believe there are 4 million Xbox One's sitting on the shelf?
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Did the October NPD numbers get posted in the previous thread?

Anyway, here they are:

PS4 - 297k
XB1 - 168k
WiiU - 69k
 
Microsft pretty much abandoned non-english speaking countries so i won't be surprised to see similar numbers to Germany in other EU contries.
 
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