Well doesn't the Wii tell you to go outside or something? At least I thought it did.
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Changing the ToS doesn't mean the user automatically agrees to it. The user has to agree to the new terms.
They aren't charging you for it. And 'turning the consumer into a commodity' in this context is FUD speak for 'offering consumers better advertisements catered to their tastes' instead of just random ads for s*** the user doesn't care about. In your worldview *anything* that is good for MS is automatically bad for consumers...even when it's objectively good for consumers (like better ads).
Right and every kid in the world is going to read through every line of 25 or 30 paragraphs of leagalese and double speak and understand it completely. Puhleeze. Most just want to get to their gaming as quickly as possible. Don't insult everyone's intelligence and pretend that isn't what MS is counting on.
Sure they are. You pay for Live don't you? It isn't a free service and if you opt in they will commoditize you to appease their real customers while you are on their pay service. Like so: http://advertising.microsoft.com/en-us/cl/2922/toyota-xbox-case-study
And that is some Fox news level spin there Elmer FUD. Simply put you are wrong. That is why MS sent out a response team after Medhi's latest gaffe and are astroturfing all over the net today.
Oh yeah, please explain in what way was that Toyota ad good for the customer? Brand recognition? Everything in that case study reads like a bonus for Toyota. If people are going to opt into something like this they should be compensated not charged for the privilege. That is how focus groups work.
I'm pretty tired of your lame psudeospeciation. You will have to do better. My worldview does not consider good or bad for large corporations unless I am a stockholder. I only consider what is good for me as a consumer. This isn't. Don't presume to tell me what my worldview is when you have no idea. And your damage control was hardly convincing. Not my fault that I don't want to be exploited for a fee rather than compensation. That is what you are attempting to sell here. I ain't buying.
And what gamer was clamoring for "BETTER ADS" in the coming generation? Here is a hint: Nobody. Ever.
Terms of service are a new concept to you, huh? Yes, let's avoid blaming ppl who are too lazy to read a ToS, too lazy to turn the Kinect settings off, and too lazy to just unplug the device if they are actually paranoid about it. MS, the company who put all those steps in place specifically for the crazies like yourself to feel at ease, they are to blame for your stupidity and laziness! Surely!
That's objectively false. Most actually spend more time with non-gaming apps than playing games. But do continue making s*** up.
I'm insulting your intelligence because it's lacking and illustrates naivete. If MS aimed to secretly "force" consumers to agree to something "sinister" they wouldn't give consumers various options to disable the data collection in the first place. Derp.
You don't get charged in order to have Kinect track you. You're outright lying now. Good try though.
Astroturfing...you believe that because morons like bish at GAF assert as much when really he bans ppl who have no ties to MS at all and then links them ad hoc. Reminds me of the Reddit fiasco a while back. Some ppl never learn.
You aren't charged a dime and there are multiple ways to avoid it, even after opting in and showing off some of the intellectual incompetence demonstrated by ppl too stupid to read before whining about what they didn't read in the first place.
Clearly that's not true lest you wouldn't begrudge better ads in favor of worse ones.
Your nonsense bias is pretty clear from the posts you make. Has been for a while now. No presumption necessary. If it's good for MS it MUST be bad for consumers in your eyes...the same guy who ran around telling ppl how requiring a connection once a day was akin to violent attacks on their consumers. Oops...there's that post history creeping up again.
And tell me how they "exploit" you again? They use the data to find out what you want as a consumer and try to sell that to you. That's a GOOD thing. No spin, no damage control. Just utterly obvious facts. If I'm going to see ads, I'd prefer they be game/movie ads. This will help ensure that's what I see. The alternative is to get hit with ads that I don't care about and only waste my time.
Your mind was made up long ago. I'm not trying to sell you anything, just correcting the nonsensical assertions you are making so others don't fall into the trap of actually believing your assertions.
So you're saying better ads are...worse for audiences? That's the claim you are really trying to make with a straight face...?
I agree with you here astro. People need to just get over the fact that big companies like MS are out there to make a profit. That means ads and that means collecting data about the person seeing the ads so that they are more likely to be interested in what is being advertised. Oh no.. how will we ever survive!?
I think it depends on how the data are collected.
If I fill in a check list of the type of things I am interested in, say, sports, travel, gadgets, Movies, Music, & MS catered ads & promotions on these thing, I do not think many people will complain.
Or if they prom you that you search a lot of shows on cars, would you like to catered more car news, infomation ads for you?
For instance also, on youtube, if you look for a video on game, tehy have ads sometimes on games, so its fair enough, or car ads when you look for videos on car reviews. This is target advertising, but its accepatbel by most people.
However, if Kinect collect data from your facial features, body shape, social behavior (in front of kinect), many people will go wild, when they keep getting ads on slimming, skincare, hair tranplant, etc.
If I fill in a check list of the type of things I am interested in, say, sports, travel, gadgets, Movies, Music, & MS catered ads & promotions on these thing, I do not think many people will complain.
Or if they prom you that you search a lot of shows on cars, would you like to catered more car news, infomation ads for you?
For instance also, on youtube, if you look for a video on game, tehy have ads sometimes on games, so its fair enough, or car ads when you look for videos on car reviews. This is target advertising, but its accepatbel by most people.
However, if Kinect collect data from your facial features, body shape, social behavior (in front of kinect), many people will go wild, when they keep getting ads on slimming, skincare, hair tranplant, etc.
Is reading a new concept for you? Talk about crazies, you must live in an echo chamber. This does not address what I wrote. Cute fear though.
Are you huffing glue? Again your response is not a rational response to what I wrote. Go back re-read it and get back to me when you understand what I wrote. Here is a hint: It has to do with kids reading and understanding of the TOS and their attention paid to it. No idea how that managed to escape you unless you were shilling or in such a hurry to white knight for your favorite large corporation that you did not even read the whole of what I wrote. The only one making sh!t up is you..
This is more dopiness. I clearly stated I was talking about those that opted in. Again work on that reading comprehension. All you really did was expose how emotion can overwhelm intellect when one rushes to shill and point fingers at others incorrectly. Bravo.
Again your reading comprehension is lacking here. You get charged to use live. While you are paying to use live and if you opt in you are going to be commoditized for a fee. That is why you ignored that Toyota case study and MS' own words. It clearly demonstrated that. You need better spin and a better script.
This demonstrates the insecurity you have about GAF. I never mentioned GAF. I said all over the net and they were. They were all over REDDIT yesterday. And MS has a long and well established history of astroturfing. Stating otherwise is simply ignoring reality and history. Anyone is welcome to Google the subject or in your case Bing it.
So Live is free now? Here is a hint: It isn't. Can you get through any posts without your insecurity and pseudospeciation rearing its ugly head over and over? It is childish.
Ads are ads. They are all the same to me. There is no such thing as better ads for the consumer. You are the only one making distictions. Why is that? And again where was the gamer clamoring for better ads? Please post some evidence that this is what gamers want. Bet you can't.
Stop lying. I never said such a thing. You have NEVER been able to establish any bias. Anyone that knows me and my post history from TXB can vouch for that. You on the other hand defend MS like they were holding your loved ones hostage and clearly lack any and all objectivity when it comes to them. You have been drooling and defending every ham-handed PR move that MS has put forth from TV TV TV right up to their complete 180. And again now after Medhis' boneheaded comments. Unlike yourself I can call out any gaming corporation and their practices like I did Sony last generation for soooo many things and Nintendo for the Wii U's specs and motion gaming and the impact it had on the industry long term. You can't and won't take MS to task EVER. Odd.
Methinks the lady doth project too much.
It was pretty obvious. If you opt in they will be using your data like a focus group and providing that info to their real customers like Toyota(see the case study in my last post) without offering the gamer any compensation. Odd how you glossed right over that. That isn't how focus groups work and it is exploitive.
Sure you are. You are trying to sell me on your authority when you have none and lack any objectivity. You haven't corrected anything here. I'm the only one that provided any evidence of what MS wanted to do with the data and you ignored it. Just like how you never mention MS Advertising. What you did was spin, and poorly at that.
No, I'm saying there are no such thing as better ads for the consumer. Ads are ads. They favor those that are paying a fortune for them not those that they are designed to persuade. You didn't type better ads with a staight face, did you? Shameful.
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It will capture data on how you react to ads. It's not monitoring you and judging your appearance in order to push products on you. Actual imagery of the user isn't collected at all unless they reverse course and allow ppl to opt into facial recognition via cloud storage (hopefully they do this as it's a killer feature).
How this will work is by looking at the movies, games, etc you consumer on the platform, what you search for, etc. Then it will hit you with ads based around that info (just like how all digital ads work today on all major platforms). Then they will see how you react to those ads by noting if you paid attention to the add or looked away, noting if you seemed to have a favorable facial response or not, if you found it amusing, etc. This data is tracked as binary inputs, not actual transmission/collection of the imagery itself which is utterly worthless to any advertiser. Once they do that second, Kinect-exclusive filtering of ads to deliver consumers, they can cater ads specifically around the NUads concept where users can interact with the ads via Kinect.
The core idea here is to add a visually tracked, definitive secondary filter beyond just the digital history of your purchases/searches/etc., and then to deliver interactive ads based on what they KNOW you like. The idea is to be as confident as possible about what you want to learn more about before showing you the NUads for those products. NUads that are interactive ads for stuff like games where you vote on the spot for what kind of trailer ya wanna watch or what kinda new character ya wanna see unveiled or whatever is a very good thing for consumers who would otherwise just get random ads for products totally unrelated to what you are actually interested in hearing more about.
I know people are joking about this possibility, but does anyone think MS is stupid enough to have those kind of ads? I honestly don't think they are.
Kinect is more than just a gaming peripheral according to Microsoft. The Microsoft Developer Network has a great writeup, and some videos, about Kinect and how it will transcend the gaming world and make it into the business world.
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It is essential for retailers to find ways to attract and connect with customers—and to stand out from the competition. To help them do so, the industry is grappling with how to build interactive experiences at scale that engage and truly help customers make satisfying purchasing decisions while also using retail space strategically to provide the best possible experience.
To get a deeper understanding of what this means, we did extensive first-hand research with dozens of retailers and big brands . We learned how retailers think about implementing natural user interface technology (NUI) and how they see these experiences helping propel their businesses forward.
What we heard:
that includes new features specifically designed to enable the development of higher-quality digital signage applications. Key features include the ability to remove backgrounds, an adaptive UI sample, and an HTML interaction sample.
To help illustrate what this all means, our team developed the following three videos. They show how Kinect for Windows experiences can help retailers attract new customers and engage customers in deeper ways. They offer examples of ways that digital signs powered by Kinect for Windows can draw customers into the business—making it possible for retailers to share offerings, cross-sell and upsell merchandise, bring the “endless aisle” concept to life, and, ultimately, inspire shoppers to purchase. And all of this is accomplished in a beautiful way that feels natural to the customer.
This enjoyable and easy-to-use application engages new customers by helping them understand and experience the resort, while also providing them with an offer to receive a discount on future stays.
This digital sign application is powered by Kinect for Windows and makes it easy for shoppers to engage with products, try them on, and purchase them. It also incorporates social media for additional marketing reach.
This last video demonstrates the ability to welcome a person or people into an immersive real-time experience with the store’s merchandise. It demonstrates the Kinect Fusion scanning features that can be used as part of this and many other retail experiences.
These videos highlight some of the core benefits retailers tell us Kinect for Windows offers them:
So many companies have already created exciting retail experiences with Kinect for Windows: Bloomingdales, Build-a-Bear, Coca-Cola, Mattel, Nissan, Pepsi, and others. We are excited to see the new ways that Kinect for Windows is being applied in retail. The dramatic shifts in consumer shopping behaviors, preferences, and expectations in retail today are driving innovation to new levels. The possibilities are endless when we use the latest technology to put the customer at the heart of the business.
Kinect for Windows Team
To get a deeper understanding of what this means, we did extensive first-hand research with dozens of retailers and big brands . We learned how retailers think about implementing natural user interface technology (NUI) and how they see these experiences helping propel their businesses forward.
What we heard:
- NUI offers one of the best ways to interact with large screens in stores.
- Exploring virtual merchandise by gesturing naturally is easy, engaging, and fun for customers.
- Immersive experiences can improve the purchase process and are an impactful way to market and sell to customers.
that includes new features specifically designed to enable the development of higher-quality digital signage applications. Key features include the ability to remove backgrounds, an adaptive UI sample, and an HTML interaction sample.To help illustrate what this all means, our team developed the following three videos. They show how Kinect for Windows experiences can help retailers attract new customers and engage customers in deeper ways. They offer examples of ways that digital signs powered by Kinect for Windows can draw customers into the business—making it possible for retailers to share offerings, cross-sell and upsell merchandise, bring the “endless aisle” concept to life, and, ultimately, inspire shoppers to purchase. And all of this is accomplished in a beautiful way that feels natural to the customer.
This enjoyable and easy-to-use application engages new customers by helping them understand and experience the resort, while also providing them with an offer to receive a discount on future stays.
This digital sign application is powered by Kinect for Windows and makes it easy for shoppers to engage with products, try them on, and purchase them. It also incorporates social media for additional marketing reach.
This last video demonstrates the ability to welcome a person or people into an immersive real-time experience with the store’s merchandise. It demonstrates the Kinect Fusion scanning features that can be used as part of this and many other retail experiences.
These videos highlight some of the core benefits retailers tell us Kinect for Windows offers them:
- Capture a customer's attention
- Educate customers about products
- Move a customer through the decision-making cycle to close a sale
So many companies have already created exciting retail experiences with Kinect for Windows: Bloomingdales, Build-a-Bear, Coca-Cola, Mattel, Nissan, Pepsi, and others. We are excited to see the new ways that Kinect for Windows is being applied in retail. The dramatic shifts in consumer shopping behaviors, preferences, and expectations in retail today are driving innovation to new levels. The possibilities are endless when we use the latest technology to put the customer at the heart of the business.
Kinect for Windows Team
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Smart! Really smart! My wife would be a huge fan of something like this, but then, we'd also go pretty broke really quickly. Hmmm....
On second thought: DAMN YOU MICROSOFT!!
On second thought: DAMN YOU MICROSOFT!!
I skimmed the article. Please Don't ram adverts down our throat. The only thing we like rammed down our throats is health care.
Thank you.
Thank you.
How many of us are out of shape? I’m not talking BMI numbers out of shape, but really out of shape? I know far more people out of shape than in and I'm sure you're feel the same. We’re eating less healthy as society and we’re far less mobile than in the past. I rarely see kids outside running around and playing games and such, at least not to the degree my friends and I would be. Gone are the days of, “CAR!” and moving the folding chair out of the middle of the road. This trend has worked its way up the age line and it’s being reflected in adults. We know it’s a problem, and as we get more and more disconnected from fitness and more and more connected with an unhealthy eating lifestyle, the problems are just going to continue to be compounded.
While eating is a big part of why we’re getting progressively more out of shape as a society, staying physically active is way down. Sure, there are many people who have gym memberships but how many actually go and go consistently? I’d take a guess and say there are far more inactive memberships than active. Like, an exponential difference. You don’t need a gym membership to stay active though. Kids don’t need a gym membership. When I was growing up I was never inside. I was always out and about doing something. Of course, the world has changed. We’re far more digital and less social than in the past. That’s an excuse though and it doesn’t have to dictate how active we are.
I watched this video a few days ago. It’s about a standalone kiosk that encourages users to perform some sort of activity and they get a reward. It's part of the Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics ad campaign but it goes beyond that and it got me thinking. With the Kinect for the Xbox One finally being out of the ‘beta’ stage, I consider the Xbox 360 Kinect a beta, this could be a great opportunity for Microsoft. Imagine if Microsoft set up hundreds of these kiosks around the country in high traffic areas? They could use the Xbox One, Kinect and some sort of a variant of Kinect Fitness. People would just walk by, perform a short workout like the video and receive some sort of an reward. I’m not sure what the people are receiving in the video. Either way, they were happy with what the received. And the biggest bonus, it got people moving.
If I were Microsoft I would be all over this. There’s no better way to get your product out there than to have the masses use it publicly so people can stand around and watch. Imagine somewhere in Grand Central there were a number of these kiosks with an Xbox One. People would be lining up to give it a try. While Microsoft will be getting a ton of exposure they’ll be setting a trend that other companies could follow; getting society to move more and be more active. They can be the trendsetters in getting our butts moving even when we thought we didn’t have the time. Five minutes here. Ten minutes there. It’s a great place to start and someone needs to take the reins. I applaud the creators of these kiosks as this could be the start of something big. Let’s hope Microsoft catches wind of this, takes note and sees how this could put a little positive change in our society. We can use it.
While eating is a big part of why we’re getting progressively more out of shape as a society, staying physically active is way down. Sure, there are many people who have gym memberships but how many actually go and go consistently? I’d take a guess and say there are far more inactive memberships than active. Like, an exponential difference. You don’t need a gym membership to stay active though. Kids don’t need a gym membership. When I was growing up I was never inside. I was always out and about doing something. Of course, the world has changed. We’re far more digital and less social than in the past. That’s an excuse though and it doesn’t have to dictate how active we are.
I watched this video a few days ago. It’s about a standalone kiosk that encourages users to perform some sort of activity and they get a reward. It's part of the Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics ad campaign but it goes beyond that and it got me thinking. With the Kinect for the Xbox One finally being out of the ‘beta’ stage, I consider the Xbox 360 Kinect a beta, this could be a great opportunity for Microsoft. Imagine if Microsoft set up hundreds of these kiosks around the country in high traffic areas? They could use the Xbox One, Kinect and some sort of a variant of Kinect Fitness. People would just walk by, perform a short workout like the video and receive some sort of an reward. I’m not sure what the people are receiving in the video. Either way, they were happy with what the received. And the biggest bonus, it got people moving.
If I were Microsoft I would be all over this. There’s no better way to get your product out there than to have the masses use it publicly so people can stand around and watch. Imagine somewhere in Grand Central there were a number of these kiosks with an Xbox One. People would be lining up to give it a try. While Microsoft will be getting a ton of exposure they’ll be setting a trend that other companies could follow; getting society to move more and be more active. They can be the trendsetters in getting our butts moving even when we thought we didn’t have the time. Five minutes here. Ten minutes there. It’s a great place to start and someone needs to take the reins. I applaud the creators of these kiosks as this could be the start of something big. Let’s hope Microsoft catches wind of this, takes note and sees how this could put a little positive change in our society. We can use it.
If I were MS, I'd have booths dedicated to fitness and entertainment, that way you can show the variety offered in the product. It'd be a good opportunity to show off the voice controls and ability to bring up other apps during gaming.
Between the fitness aspects, tv, awesome games and kinect I truly believe MS are onto a winner here. I will definitely be giving the fitness game a good go and I know my mrs will be all over it.
This. I have spoken out against things like P90x as ripoffs, but I realize that if nobody used them, they wouldn't be around. 100% Guarantee this: If MS were to pay retailers to set aside space for Xbox Fitness demos (where people can actually do the routine), X1 would be sold out for months.
I'm 100% with you guys on this one. It has already been seen that MS is into targeting the "casual" crowd, doing this would be huge for them.
The video has people doing squats for a train/subway ticket.
Anyway, Xbox Fitness has the potential to be a real killer app, as I've said many times here.
Anyway, Xbox Fitness has the potential to be a real killer app, as I've said many times here.
If they had an ounce of common sense, they would market it as a savings on personal trainers, gym memberships and for those intimidated by gyms, they can play up the fact that you can work out in the privacy of your own home (with only MS and the NSA watching -- j/k).
Has anyone heard of an extension cable for the new Kinect yet? I like a few of my friends don't have there equipment right below there TV so the 9FT cable that comes with the new Kinect 2.0 won't be enough. It would be nice if I got this sorted before the console launches, right now the sensor would have to be in the corner of the room which would kind of defeat the purpose, I guess I could still use the voice commands. but the Kinect would be looking at the back of my head.
Would the current Kinect extension work? If not I guess you may need to make a custom one or wait for one to be made available
Just curious, what in your setup is preventing the Kinect from being mounted below or above your TV?