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Thank god I can click a few buttons and buy any game I want, at anytime I want. Servers might go down every once in a while, but stores close everyday and Don't always have enough games in stock and expect you to come sit outside for hours at midnight, waiting on new releases. I don't miss it.

Soon on Xbox I'll be able to buy my game while I'm at work, have it install automatically. Stupid amounts of convenience once digital preloading comes into play. Too many conveniences and that is why digital will eventually become the norm on consoles, just as it has on PC.
 
DriedMangoes said:
Digital future only scares me. Imagine millions of people accessing the same title to download or whatever. Bog down servers much? Also, a huge plus of physical media is the re-sale ability. I mean it's fine if you don't want physical media anymore and just go digital, so why not just let the consumer have the choice? You think digital is the future, others don't. Who cares really. What makes your opinion more valuable than the other?

Don't even get me started on if the servers are down. So you're pretty much s*** out of luck. Thank God we can still just walk into a Brick and Mortar store and buy a game.
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Not sure if you're responding to my post or not but if so I would just like to point out that I was talking about how Publishers would prefer if all sales were digital, not that I think or agree that all games should be digital.
I agree with the point Menace made that a lot of gamers use the preowned market as a way of financing the purchase of a new game they might not be able to afford without trading but Publishers have made it clear they think they're losing money and I was saying that they could be pissed at Sony for opting to keep with the status quo.
 
pravus said:
Thank god I can click a few buttons and buy any game I want, at anytime I want. Servers might go down every once in a while, but stores close everyday and Don't always have enough games in stock and expect you to come sit outside for hours at midnight, waiting on new releases. I don't miss it.

Soon on Xbox I'll be able to buy my game while I'm at work, have it install automatically. Stupid amounts of convenience once digital preloading comes into play. Too many conveniences and that is why digital will eventually become the norm on consoles, just as it has on PC.
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The 4 can already do that, just saying. ;)

Digital does have its advantages but I'd hate to be in a world where it's the only option.
 
Two Pennys Worth said:
Not sure if you're responding to my post or not but if so I would just like to point out that I was talking about how Publishers would prefer if all sales were digital, not that I think or agree that all games should be digital.
I agree with the point Menace made that a lot of gamers use the preowned market as a way of financing the purchase of a new game they might not be able to afford without trading but Publishers have made it clear they think they're losing money and I was saying that they could be pissed at Sony for opting to keep with the status quo.
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I was just talking in general, wasn't aimed towards anyone in particular.

Publishers make enough money. Physical sales are still very dominant over digital and that's where the bulk of the sales are. Take that away and you will see sales diminish very significantly. Not everyone has high-speed internet to download games or want to buy a hundred harddrives to store their whole collection. You know those people who have hundreds of games? Good luck installing all that.

Instead of blaming "Sony for keeping with the status quo". How about placing the blame on MS pushing for a future that is not yet ready? Why push the blame onto someone else? It's very clear the world is not yet ready for a digital only future right now.
 
I'm not blaming Sony and I'm not saying MS was right, I'm simply stating that the devs/publishers would prefer it if games went all digital and that they would be more pissed at Sony for keeping with the status quo. I wasn't talking from a consumer point of view but from publisher/dev point of view.
Edit: yes I'm aware that used games was still an option for X1 although you wouldn't think so according to the internet but once you bought a preowned game, that was it, you couldn't then resell it. Each game could only be resold once not multiple times like you can do now. Like it says in this article, the biggest losers of the u turn was the publishers

http://www.forbes.com/sites/nigamar...n-xbox-one-used-games-connection-requirement/
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I know your not. I was merely commenting on the points you brought up, and from a business POV as well. I just do not think it will yield the results they are after. If anything the consumer spending is going to drop. Plus, with DD only platform you are likely to lose a huge chunk of business just from narrow minded ISP restrictions, like data caps.

The only reason Steam is a success is because of the crazy sales. other DD places have them too. Do you really see consoles doing that ? I do not. Would be great if they did though.
 
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VaLLiancE said:
Most likely as a counter to the Destiny bundles.
Looks sweet!
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Is Destiny getting a console? I've only heard of the white ones, and those weren't available for the public to buy. Well the auction,but still most people couldn't get their hands on one.
It says you can win one. Just wondering if anyone had anything about public sales of them.
 
David said:
Is Destiny getting a console? I've only heard of the white ones, and those weren't available for the public to buy. Well the auction,but still most people couldn't get their hands on one.
It says you can win one. Just wondering if anyone had anything about public sales of them.
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Only for the 4 AFAIK.

You can pre-order a glacier white one with the game for $469.99 from most B&M's.
 
Zcythe said:
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People are stupid. Individuals can be smart and you can reason with them most of the time, but people are stupid. Sorry if that offends some, but it really is the truth. In MS's case, basically it's damned if they do, damned if they don't. Right?

People asked for the changes to be made. It was made abundantly clear that they wanted these changes, with many saying they would not purchase otherwise. Online-only? Nope, I'm not buying into some draconian future. Kinect is mandatory? Nope, I don't want it and I'm not buying the system because it's there. TV? I don't need that crap because I only want to play games. So guess what? MS made the changes. They made them because their hand was forced by the consumers and the competition. Developers aren't going to be to keen on your system if there is no fanbase for which to make games.

Why uncertainty? They've done what their consumer has asked them to do up to this point. After essentially tearing down the vision MS had, people want to reprimand them for not having one? It's a bit ridiculous and ironic that those without vision themselves are commenting on someone else not having one.

This is not a personal attack on you but a general idea as it relates to those ideas brought forth in your post.
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Very well said. I couldn't agree more. People get exactly what they want and what do we get...VG247 with yet another bulls*** article. I am getting tired of that s*** pretty easily nowadays. The sales show it...a big boost since they offer the X1 without Kinect and thus 399. I do however think that MS was not handling things right with bringing the message to people. Always online which would have meant no more disc swapping is cool, but i am probably going to be buying nothing but digital games anyway, so no swapping. However..the whole policy they had for used games. That was something nobody asked for and that could have been handled better.

It's getting tiresome these articles on sites...we finally have the X1 as we wanted, or well...many people out there and it's still not good. Oh lemme guess VG247..you want Kinect back now and you want the original policies back? It may be a console withoul a real identity of itself, but i wanna ask VG247 something then...should MS have simply ignored all the negativity and simply release the X1 with all those policies? Not a wise thing to do for a company...dude at VG247 is an idiot.
 
DriedMangoes said:
Digital future only scares me. Imagine millions of people accessing the same title to download or whatever. Bog down servers much? Also, a huge plus of physical media is the re-sale ability. I mean it's fine if you don't want physical media anymore and just go digital, so why not just let the consumer have the choice? You think digital is the future, others don't. Who cares really. What makes your opinion more valuable than the other?

Don't even get me started on if the servers are down. So you're pretty much s*** out of luck. Thank God we can still just walk into a Brick and Mortar store and buy a game.
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Nothing is making someone's opinion more valuable than anyone else's opinion. That's why changes have been made. They listened and that's a good thing. Arguing digital-only versus the traditional model is another issue altogether.

The issue is that change was demanded of them, they made the changes, and now we have people accusing them of having no vision or backtracking on everything. They're being adaptable and trying to be flexible to the wants and needs of their fanbase. Yet in some circles this is a bad thing? It's a pretty messed up string of logic when someone spends so much effort asking for change, but then holds it against them when they give them what they asked.

The irony is that those who are now calling them out on all the changes and "backtracking" are essentially telling them that they should have held a "our opinion is more important then yours" stance and ignored the opinions of their consumers.
 
Zcythe said:
Nothing is making someone's opinion more valuable than anyone else's opinion. That's why changes have been made. They listened and that's a good thing. Arguing digital-only versus the traditional model is another issue altogether.

The issue is that change was demanded of them, they made the changes, and now we have people accusing them of having no vision or backtracking on everything. They're being adaptable and trying to be flexible to the wants and needs of their fanbase. Yet in some circles this is a bad thing? It's a pretty messed up string of logic when someone spends so much effort asking for change, but then holds it against them when they give them what they asked.

The irony is that those who are now calling them out on all the changes and "backtracking" are essentially telling them that they should have held a "our opinion is more important then yours" stance and ignored the opinions of their consumers.
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Props to MS for changing their policies to try and accommodate to the public but unfortunately the backlash of what they're doing now is a direct consequence of their initial vision of the Xbox One. Basically, they placed emphasis on some areas that most gamers just do not care about. So in order to try and win back the gamers, they decided to abandon their initial vision, which will inevitably bring some articles like VG247's out.
 
DriedMangoes said:
Props to MS for changing their policies to try and accommodate to the public but unfortunately the backlash of what they're doing now is a direct consequence of their initial vision of the Xbox One. Basically, they placed emphasis on some areas that most gamers just do not care about. So in order to try and win back the gamers, they decided to abandon their initial vision, which will inevitably bring some articles like VG247's out.
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...and therein lies the problem. By listening to their fanbase and giving the gamers what they wanted, they at the same time betrayed their initial vision in which I am convinced should have remained. For the life of me, I still cant figure out how gamers had the most trouble figuring out that their entertainment system STILL played great looking next gen games with great gameplay. Even harder to understand is what was so wrong with having a gaming system that offered you more of what you loved? I can understand some of the problems with price, but what about everything else? I thought this was America! We like having choices, dont we?

I think MS is just in a bad position by trying to bring innovation to the table and pioneering a new path for gaming consoles all together, at a time when gamers wanted nothing to do with change. Tragic...
 
Mcmasters said:
...and therein lies the problem. By listening to their fanbase and giving the gamers what they wanted, they at the same time betrayed their initial vision in which I am convinced should have remained. For the life of me, I still cant figure out how gamers had the most trouble figuring out that their entertainment system STILL played great looking next gen games with great gameplay. Even harder to understand is what was so wrong with having a gaming system that offered you more of what you loved? I can understand some of the problems with price, but what about everything else? I thought this was America! We like having choices, dont we?

I think MS is just in a bad position by trying to bring innovation to the table and pioneering a new path for gaming consoles all together, at a time when gamers wanted nothing to do with change. Tragic...
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Exactly. They could still bundle the Kinect in @ the $399 price and staying aligned with their vision but they chose not to because it wouldn't be making much of a profit. At the end of the day, money and sales talk. MS listened and ultimately decided that altering their original vision would be the best choice in order to gain the lost popularity from some and still make some profit.
 
DriedMangoes said:
The 4 can already do that, just saying. ;)

Digital does have its advantages but I'd hate to be in a world where it's the only option.
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The PS4 and Xbox One let you buy games online on your computer and smart phones. However both systems still require your intervention on the console to start the actual download process. However it looks like the Xbox One is adding the ability to have it auto download now with the August update.

Now we just need preloading like we have on the PS4.
 
Zcythe said:
:txbrolleyes:

People are stupid. Individuals can be smart and you can reason with them most of the time, but people are stupid. Sorry if that offends some, but it really is the truth. In MS's case, basically it's damned if they do, damned if they don't. Right?

People asked for the changes to be made. It was made abundantly clear that they wanted these changes, with many saying they would not purchase otherwise. Online-only? Nope, I'm not buying into some draconian future. Kinect is mandatory? Nope, I don't want it and I'm not buying the system because it's there. TV? I don't need that crap because I only want to play games. So guess what? MS made the changes. They made them because their hand was forced by the consumers and the competition. Developers aren't going to be to keen on your system if there is no fanbase for which to make games.

Why uncertainty? They've done what their consumer has asked them to do up to this point. After essentially tearing down the vision MS had, people want to reprimand them for not having one? It's a bit ridiculous and ironic that those without vision themselves are commenting on someone else not having one.

This is not a personal attack on you but a general idea as it relates to those ideas brought forth in your post.
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I was fine beside one thing with MS is the 24 hour check but then I'm always online so it kinda was a no big deal anyway.

What got me is people are short in their vision and try to call things like if they can run a business but all they are just bums that with in the basement with their folks.

I can clearly remember when steam first came people gave them the works about their requirements and people were chewing them up and spitting them out. Yet steam end up holding their ground and look at them now.

But what killed it is these webpages and the so call video experts on YouTube (Angry Joe) that run their mouth having mindless of millions that follow them and pretty much killed it for MS. CVG, IGN, Poloygon, and others play a big part to stir their crap on page to put the hurting on MS just to get people to click on their sites.

Let's see what happen from a year or so and see how MS will do.
 
DriedMangoes said:
Digital future only scares me. Imagine millions of people accessing the same title to download or whatever. Bog down servers much? Also, a huge plus of physical media is the re-sale ability. I mean it's fine if you don't want physical media anymore and just go digital, so why not just let the consumer have the choice? You think digital is the future, others don't. Who cares really. What makes your opinion more valuable than the other?

Don't even get me started on if the servers are down. So you're pretty much s*** out of luck. Thank God we can still just walk into a Brick and Mortar store and buy a game.
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What ifs can go both ways, what if there was tornadoes/huricanes and stores had to close? What if you drive to store and crash? What if the blu-ray copying machines had a bug and didn't write games correctly?

You might not agree that digital is the future, but it was corporations that always made those changes for consumers. Right now everything is going to the cloud as it makes sense and so will the game storages. When they put ethernet port on xbox I'm sure there were people saying they don't need it and don't want government spying on them through it.

Before this gen is over Blu-Ray won't be enough. For next gen they will have to sell games on HDD/Flash storage or in the cloud, which do you think is cheaper and easier to reach more people with more convenience?

In my opinion pre-owned market has gone way too far with a lot of gamers complaining why should they pay $60 for a game when it's available for $30 used. No one thinks hey this gen has more graphics which means they spend more money on making games. Why do you think that we have only 1/3 of big budget games in development? Maybe because 4/5 people that buy the game are not giving a penny to devs and still end up playing their game and using the servers and complain as if their right to be there is a given and paid for.
I don't see it being legal to sell used Norton Anti Virus or other software.
Yeah I know other physical things you buy are re-sellable, but lets face it those things wear out. You can only sell a car so many times and dealerships make most money out of them supplying repair parts and marking up. Games don't wear out if taken care of.
 
Kreten said:
What ifs can go both ways, what if there was tornadoes/huricanes and stores had to close? What if you drive to store and crash? What if the blu-ray copying machines had a bug and didn't write games correctly?

You might not agree that digital is the future, but it was corporations that always made those changes for consumers. Right now everything is going to the cloud as it makes sense and so will the game storages. When they put ethernet port on xbox I'm sure there were people saying they don't need it and don't want government spying on them through it.

Before this gen is over Blu-Ray won't be enough. For next gen they will have to sell games on HDD/Flash storage or in the cloud, which do you think is cheaper and easier to reach more people with more convenience?

In my opinion pre-owned market has gone way too far with a lot of gamers complaining why should they pay $60 for a game when it's available for $30 used. No one thinks hey this gen has more graphics which means they spend more money on making games. Why do you think that we have only 1/3 of big budget games in development? Maybe because 4/5 people that buy the game are not giving a penny to devs and still end up playing their game and using the servers and complain as if their right to be there is a given and paid for.
I don't see it being legal to sell used Norton Anti Virus or other software.
Yeah I know other physical things you buy are re-sellable, but lets face it those things wear out. You can only sell a car so many times and dealerships make most money out of them supplying repair parts and marking up. Games don't wear out if taken care of.
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On the contrary, I think digital only might become the future but I'm saying we're just not ready for it now. Servers bogged down, internet caps and speed limits, limited hard drive space. Face it, if we are going to digital only already starting this gen, think about how many harddrives you will need to store all your 50GB games. Think about the additional cost you will need to buy all those harddrives ON TOP of the original price of the game which btw you can't re-sell back!

I say we keep both and let the consumer decide, that's all I'm saying. People who want to do digital only can do so. People who want to get physical copies can do so. And that's the way it should be. I'm sorry I just don't agree with being online and digital only right now.
 
Kreten said:
What ifs can go both ways, what if there was tornadoes/huricanes and stores had to close? What if you drive to store and crash? What if the blu-ray copying machines had a bug and didn't write games correctly?

You might not agree that digital is the future, but it was corporations that always made those changes for consumers. Right now everything is going to the cloud as it makes sense and so will the game storages. When they put ethernet port on xbox I'm sure there were people saying they don't need it and don't want government spying on them through it.

Before this gen is over Blu-Ray won't be enough. For next gen they will have to sell games on HDD/Flash storage or in the cloud, which do you think is cheaper and easier to reach more people with more convenience?

In my opinion pre-owned market has gone way too far with a lot of gamers complaining why should they pay $60 for a game when it's available for $30 used. No one thinks hey this gen has more graphics which means they spend more money on making games. Why do you think that we have only 1/3 of big budget games in development? Maybe because 4/5 people that buy the game are not giving a penny to devs and still end up playing their game and using the servers and complain as if their right to be there is a given and paid for.
I don't see it being legal to sell used Norton Anti Virus or other software.
Yeah I know other physical things you buy are re-sellable, but lets face it those things wear out. You can only sell a car so many times and dealerships make most money out of them supplying repair parts and marking up. Games don't wear out if taken care of.
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DriedMangoes said:
On the contrary, I think digital only might become the future but I'm saying we're just not ready for it now. Servers bogged down, internet caps and speed limits, limited hard drive space. Face it, if we are going to digital only already starting this gen, think about how many harddrives you will need to store all your 50GB games. Think about the additional cost you will need to buy all those harddrives ON TOP of the original price of the game which btw you can't re-sell back!

I say we keep both and let the consumer decide, that's all I'm saying. People who want to do digital only can do so. People who want to get physical copies can do so. And that's the way it should be. I'm sorry I just don't agree with being online and digital only right now.
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You're both wrong. Next-gen is going to be game streaming, like onlive.
 
menace-uk- said:
You're both wrong. Next-gen is going to be game streaming, like onlive.
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Depends how good all the cable internet feeds are. The US is the biggest market by far, but who knows how good the feeds are.

It seems cable companies magically up the ante in terms of bandwidth speed without changing wires, so they are holding back performance. But how much performance they are holding back who knows. It may not be enough to stream 1080p or better gaming with low latency.
 
Some Xbox one praise.... WWE Network runs smoother on Xbox One then it does on the PS4 where it laggs more and does a weird scene repeat up to 3 x in a row lagg.(BS)

Both connections are hard wired 122mb down/15mb up
 
VaLLiancE said:
Some Xbox one praise.... WWE Network runs smoother on Xbox One then it does on the PS4 where it laggs more and does a weird scene repeat up to 3 x in a row lagg.(BS)

Both connections are hard wired 122mb down/15mb up
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Suspend/Resume also works a lot better on the Xbone.

It works like 0/10 times of PS4.
 
pravus said:
Suspend/Resume also works a lot better on the Xbone.

It works like 0/10 times of PS4.
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One of the features i am really looking forward to. It would have been even better if you could do it like this:

- For example play DR3 and after a while stop playing it.
- Start a different game and then after a while start DR3 again...and pick up where you left.

But that's not possible, right? It only works if you start up DR3 right away and not play another game in between, correct?

Still it's damn awesome. I can already see it in front of me. I'm playing Dragon Age Inquisition until late in the night/morning, i then turn the X1 to sleep and the next day i just continue where i quit, no loading screens, just BAM....right into the game where i left it. Lovely. Only downside is that the console is never fully turned off.
 
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Blandina said:
Actually that's the beauty of X1, in 'instant on' mode it will download all updates for games and OS.
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You mean it will automatically download all updates for games that you have? I am planning on going mostly digital....let's say i have DR3, Ryse and Forza 5 on my HDD. If the console is on instant on mode, will it then automatically download updates, so that it means i will never have to wait for updates when i fire up those games?
 
MosquitoSmasher said:
You mean it will automatically download all updates for games that you have? I am planning on going mostly digital....let's say i have DR3, Ryse and Forza 5 on my HDD. If the console is on instant on mode, will it then automatically download updates, so that it means i will never have to wait for updates when i fire up those games?
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Correct - It will automatically download all the updates, some of the games will only install the updates when you start the game, but the update is there, ready to install. You will know if an app has been updated or are ready to by updated, there is a little star on the icon. Nice feature
 
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